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sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 27 @ 5:11 PM ET
See I have a higher expectation than this. Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Kane, Seguin and Benn. Giroux in my opinion has reached these standards but could either bounce back or decline further. I don't want just a Cup contender. I want a Hart contender, Norris contender, Selke contender and a Vezina contender every year.
- roenick97


having a hart, norris, selke, and vezina contender on a team that just two seasons ago didnt qualify for the playoffs, is gonna be hard. only a handful of teams in the league right now have that type of pedigree. lets start with getting over the "being on the bubble every year" tier first
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 5:37 PM ET
Dryden's WSJ column is no more ridiculous than the things he wrote in "The Game". He's a brilliant guy with seeming disdain for those he sees as less intelligent than himself, and he may well be on the Asperger's spectrum, as others have suggested. It's his opinion, nothing more and it comes off as little more than sour grapes.

Anyhow, I don't really care about his opinions or what he writes.

Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 27 @ 5:49 PM ET
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 27 @ 5:50 PM ET
As Phil Esposito so properly put it in the Bullies documentary "If you don't have the talent, you're not going to win, PERIOD!"
- jtb3rd


Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 6:22 PM ET
Dryden's WSJ column is no more ridiculous than the things he wrote in "The Game". He's a brilliant guy with seeming disdain for those he sees as less intelligent than himself, and he may well be on the Asperger's spectrum, as others have suggested. It's his opinion, nothing more and it comes off as little more than sour grapes.

Anyhow, I don't really care about his opinions or what he writes.

- Jsaquella



I'm conflicted about Dryden. So often I'm tempted to write him off as a complete and utter jackwagon, and then there'll be something touching and sincere from him like the Jean Beliveau eulogy, and I'll reconsider.

But yes... Jackwagonnery... too much of it and too often for my tastes.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 27 @ 6:41 PM ET
Dryden's WSJ column is no more ridiculous than the things he wrote in "The Game". He's a brilliant guy with seeming disdain for those he sees as less intelligent than himself, and he may well be on the Asperger's spectrum, as others have suggested. It's his opinion, nothing more and it comes off as little more than sour grapes.

Anyhow, I don't really care about his opinions or what he writes.

- Jsaquella

I never liked the Game, but give Home Game a try.

Much better.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 6:43 PM ET
I'm conflicted about Dryden. So often I'm tempted to write him off as a complete and utter jackwagon, and then there'll be something touching and sincere from him like the Jean Beliveau eulogy, and I'll reconsider.

But yes... Jackwagonnery... too much of it and too often for my tastes.

- Doc_Sarcasm


He sees himself as some sort of white knight who saved hockey from the evil Philistines from Philly. Great goalie, but Jesus.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 7:00 PM ET
I never liked the Game, but give Home Game a try.

Much better.

- Atomic Wedgie



Is this a different Home Game than the one by Bret Boone? Because I have that one and havent gotten around to reading it.


Oh, and as long as we're on the subject of books. I thoroughly enjoyed BoB McKenzie's "Hockey Confidential". The Chapter on Don and Tim Cherry was most excellent, and there was a chapter with a wonderful explanation of the genesis of #fancystats as well.

Sadly, I can't seem to find a decent copy (its very out of print) of McKenzie's "Confessions of a (Crazy) Hockey Dad."
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 27 @ 7:22 PM ET

- Pixote Andolini


Watching them talk about Subban was the best part
wbtravis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Corner of Jack Benny & Rochester
Joined: 09.07.2015

Jul 27 @ 7:57 PM ET
Dryden got play behind best defense corps in my lifetime...and for my money the best team, as good as those Oilers teams were they never lost just 9 games in a season. I always felt he was a product of that defense.

What Bill didn't say about that 75-76 Flyers team was Clarke was hurt in that finals but played. I think he did permanent damage that affected his play going forward. His numbers declined every year, except 82-83.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:12 PM ET
Dryden's WSJ column is no more ridiculous than the things he wrote in "The Game". He's a brilliant guy with seeming disdain for those he sees as less intelligent than himself, and he may well be on the Asperger's spectrum, as others have suggested. It's his opinion, nothing more and it comes off as little more than sour grapes.

Anyhow, I don't really care about his opinions or what he writes.

- Jsaquella


(frank) him and his stupid mask.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:13 PM ET
Dryden got play behind best defense corps in my lifetime...and for my money the best team, as good as those Oilers teams were they never lost just 9 games in a season. I always felt he was a product of that defense.

What Bill didn't say about that 75-76 Flyers team was Clarke was hurt in that finals but played. I think he did permanent damage that affected his play going forward. His numbers declined every year, except 82-83.

- wbtravis


because he was wearing cooperalls.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:17 PM ET
I'm conflicted about Dryden. So often I'm tempted to write him off as a complete and utter jackwagon, and then there'll be something touching and sincere from him like the Jean Beliveau eulogy, and I'll reconsider.

But yes... Jackwagonnery... too much of it and too often for my tastes.

- Doc_Sarcasm



new term for the day. i like it.

i often say jack nape. probably because i like the word nape.

nape.


nnnnape.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:19 PM ET
(frank) him and his stupid mask.
- hammarby31


I liked his mask.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:21 PM ET
I liked his mask.
- Scoob


many do. not me.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 8:22 PM ET
new term for the day. i like it.

i often say jack nape. probably because i like the word nape.

nape.


nnnnape.

- hammarby31


Its an excellent word for those times when you want to use profanity but can't.

As I stole it, so I grant you permission to steal it in turn and use it whenever the need arises.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:44 PM ET
I don't think I have ever read Bill so agitated about another article.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:47 PM ET
Its an excellent word for those times when you want to use profanity but can't.

As I stole it, so I grant you permission to steal it in turn and use it whenever the need arises.

- Doc_Sarcasm


thank you sir. do you recall source?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 8:52 PM ET
thank you sir. do you recall source?
- hammarby31


I'm not sure where I heard it first, but back when I still listened to WIP, I definitely heard Glen MacNow use it.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:53 PM ET
I'm not sure where I heard it first, but back when I still listened to WIP, I definitely heard Glen MacNow use it.
- Doc_Sarcasm


hmmm...i don't recall ever hearing mac say that. good enough for me though.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 9:03 PM ET
hmmm...i don't recall ever hearing mac say that. good enough for me though.
- hammarby31


I remember one incident clearly.. it was a saturday show during football season and some kid called in and got into an argument with Ray Didinger and called him a fraud. Sometime after the call, Mac was teasing Ray about it and then added something to the effect of "well... that kid is a bit of a jackwagon"
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:06 PM ET
Is this a different Home Game than the one by Bret Boone? Because I have that one and havent gotten around to reading it.


Oh, and as long as we're on the subject of books. I thoroughly enjoyed BoB McKenzie's "Hockey Confidential". The Chapter on Don and Tim Cherry was most excellent, and there was a chapter with a wonderful explanation of the genesis of #fancystats as well.

Sadly, I can't seem to find a decent copy (its very out of print) of McKenzie's "Confessions of a (Crazy) Hockey Dad."

- Doc_Sarcasm

Different book.

http://www.goodreads.com/...ook/show/517744.Home_Game
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 27 @ 9:10 PM ET
I remember one incident clearly.. it was a saturday show during football season and some kid called in and got into an argument with Ray Didinger and called him a fraud. Sometime after the call, Mac was teasing Ray about it and then added something to the effect of "well... that kid is a bit of a jackwagon"
- Doc_Sarcasm


Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 27 @ 9:10 PM ET
Different book.

http://www.goodreads.com/...ook/show/517744.Home_Game

- Atomic Wedgie



Even better! I also see mention of a book titled "The Last Season" and referred to as the best hockey novel ever written. Now I have two more books to look out for. Thank you!
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:26 PM ET
Even better! I also see mention of a book titled "The Last Season" and referred to as the best hockey novel ever written. Now I have two more books to look out for. Thank you!
- Doc_Sarcasm

Put this one on the top of your list:

https://www.amazon.ca/Bes...ou-Can-Name/dp/0771014600

Warning: the stories about John Brophy will make you piss your pants laughing.

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