Are we really bringing up Subban when talking about an average D man like Ceci?
- Feds91Stammer

It will be hockey lore in a few years. How even though the Canadiens signed Subbes to a bridge deal, they still could not bridge the gap in personalities...

Are you mad, or jeally? On a side note, it's one thing for the sens fans to assume that management is cheap, but its another thing for any other fans to claim that. Dorion did an exceptional job signing Hoffman, he played his cards better than any other GM would, which is why he didn't have to offer 6M$ to get him. You underestimate the team because in the end Hoffman, alike Stone and upcoming Ceci all want to stay in Ottawa. In business world, Dorion did a great job. You're ass is just sore because you guys will get Hoffbliterated next year.
- PtotheY

Umm no, I actually think the Sens and their fans deserve better than that cheapskate owner. He is a joke. They're lucky Hoffman was kind to accept that offer but wait till Karlsson needs to be resigned. You really think Melnyk will cough up the 9.5+million per easily? That should be fun to watch.

Ceci's highest career similarity score per hockey reference is Eric Gelinas

https://public.tableau.co...GK3TWJ?:display_count=yes
- Feds91Stammer

And he's very young and only getting better!

That would be a nice cap hit, don't like the bridge deal idea for Ceci though. Rather lock him up longer term, his underlying numbers were pretty good.
- DutchSenators

I thought Ceci had pretty bad underlying numbers from an advanced stats standpoint?

Umm no, I actually think the Sens and their fans deserve better than that cheapskate owner. He is a joke. They're lucky Hoffman was kind to accept that offer but wait till Karlsson needs to be resigned. You really think Melnyk will cough up the 9.5+million per easily? That should be fun to watch.
- maxbart5

Melnyk is cheap but he's not an idiot. If EK walks because of money, the fans will revolt. Eugene will lose way more in ticket sales than what he would have paid EK. I'm am pretty sure he figured that out the hard way when Alfie left. The building was empty that fall/winter. Take Alfie's situation and multiply it and that's what would happen if EK walked over money.

EK will never leave because we won't pay him. If the Sens lose him, it will be because of money, but not his money directly. It will because Melnyk refuses to pony up to give him a good enough supporting cast to compete for a cup.

Umm no, I actually think the Sens and their fans deserve better than that cheapskate owner. He is a joke. They're lucky Hoffman was kind to accept that offer but wait till Karlsson needs to be resigned. You really think Melnyk will cough up the 9.5+million per easily? That should be fun to watch.
- maxbart5

Dude, Karlsson is a franchise player, he will cough up money for that. Sens are showing the league that they can be more competitive than the habs in the leauge, while operating on a much smaller internal budget. I have trust that this management team is better at financial management than most think. Sens are on the rise, MTL on the decline, yet MTL have a higher payroll. See where I am getting at? I will complain once Melnyk decides to not invest money when key players development come close to their peak. For the time being, there are other players on the team that can benefit from additional ice time for development purposes. Once they reach close to maturity, I am convince the team will fork money to become a powerhouse, like they were in 2007.

And he's very young and only getting better!
- PtotheY

Source?

Ceci's highest career similarity score per hockey reference is Eric Gelinas

https://public.tableau.co...GK3TWJ?:display_count=yes
- Feds91Stammer

What do you want to achieve by posting this? I'm confused. He's young and he obviously has talent. Defensemen can ask for a lot of money when they hit their prime. He's comparable to DeKeyser who makes 5M as an UFA

http://public.tableau.com...RT2HKG?:display_count=yes

Good signing. Don't bother signing Ceci. Just trade him to VAN for some smoked salmon and the rights to James Tanner.

Melnyk is cheap but he's not an idiot. If EK walks because of money, the fans will revolt. Eugene will lose way more in ticket sales than what he would have paid EK. I'm am pretty sure he figured that out the hard way when Alfie left. The building was empty that fall/winter. Take Alfie's situation and multiply it and that's what would happen if EK walked over money.

EK will never leave because we won't pay him. If the Sens lose him, it will be because of money, but not his money directly. It will because Melnyk refuses to pony up to give him a good enough supporting cast to compete for a cup.
- Charliebox

What, no mention of Daniel Heatley? The sens ponied up and paid his $4m bonus

What, no mention of Daniel Heatley? The sens ponied up and paid his $4m bonus
- DeflatedPucks

Healtey wanted to leave because of coaching and because he's a giant douchebag. It didn't have to do with money.

That was back when Eugene was at his financial peak and was making it rain hundies in the dressing room.

What do you want to achieve by posting this? I'm confused. He's young and he obviously has talent. Defensemen can ask for a lot of money when they hit their prime. He's comparable to DeKeyser who makes 5M as an UFA

http://public.tableau.com...RT2HKG?:display_count=yes
- DutchSenators

He's not comparable to Dekeyser.

Ceci is in the 3/4 pairing and Dekeyser is in the 1/2 pairing. Huge difference.

If Ceci stepped up and played 1/2 mins and lined up against the other team's best players every single game, then he'd be worth 5M easy.

What do you want to achieve by posting this? I'm confused. He's young and he obviously has talent. Defensemen can ask for a lot of money when they hit their prime. He's comparable to DeKeyser who makes 5M as an UFA

http://public.tableau.com...RT2HKG?:display_count=yes
- DutchSenators

It's called sharing information... Dekeyser blows. Very average D man that just got overpaid.

He's not comparable to Dekeyser.

Ceci is in the 3/4 pairing and Dekeyser is in the 1/2 pairing. Huge difference.

If Ceci stepped up and played 1/2 mins and lined up against the other team's best players every single game, then he'd be worth 5M easy.
- Charliebox

Yeah I think Ceci has aways to go before he deserves a long term 4 plus million contract even.. think Ottawa's best bet is to bridge? I don't think Dekeyser should have got what he did either

Source?
- Feds91Stammer

Look I don't know what was the point of your post then? Perhaps you can enlighten me. If you paid any close attention to Codi Ceci's play, you'd see that he is considered a player with a bunch of potential and is expeted to become a solid defencemen, projected to be better than Dekeyser. The guy is only 22 years old.

He's not comparable to Dekeyser.

Ceci is in the 3/4 pairing and Dekeyser is in the 1/2 pairing. Huge difference.

If Ceci stepped up and played 1/2 mins and lined up against the other team's best players every single game, then he'd be worth 5M easy.
- Charliebox

Ceci is already better than Dekeyser, has nothing to do with current player's contribution to the team it has to do with potential down the line. Ceci's potential is sky high, while Dekeyser probably reached his potential already.

Look I don't know what was the point of your post then? Perhaps you can enlighten me. If you paid any close attention to Codi Ceci's play, you'd see that he is considered a player with a bunch of potential and is expeted to become a solid defencemen, projected to be better than Dekeyser. The guy is only 22 years old.
- PtotheY

Potential is great and all but there is 0 certainty he will get better.

Ceci is already better than Dekeyser, has nothing to do with current player's contribution to the team it has to do with potential down the line. Ceci's potential is sky high, while Dekeyser probably reached his potential already.
- PtotheY

He's not comparable to Dekeyser.

Ceci is in the 3/4 pairing and Dekeyser is in the 1/2 pairing. Huge difference.

If Ceci stepped up and played 1/2 mins and lined up against the other team's best players every single game, then he'd be worth 5M easy.
- Charliebox

Ken Holland: I agree!

Good signing. Don't bother signing Ceci. Just trade him to VAN for some smoked salmon and the rights to James Tanner.
- storm88

Hahahahaha! You sir, win the best post of the Day. James tanner is a ridiculous analyst.

Potential is great and all but there is 0 certainty he will get better.
- Feds91Stammer

What? That's as asurd as saying Hedman had zero chances of getting better a few years back. Ceci is a rock out there, just watch a few Sens game.

What? That's as asurd as saying Hedman had zero chances of getting better a few years back. Ceci is a rock out there, just watch a few Sens game.
- PtotheY

Clearly 0 certainty and 0 chances mean the same thing...

You are very good at logic

Like saying a player is already better even though he is currently as good as another

Source?
- Feds91Stammer

His G/60, FirstA/60,PrimaryP/60 have all improved steadily over the years. However, his Corsi is very erratic. Would like to see what a year with an NHL Dman beside him results in. That's why I say a bridge deal for Ceci would work well.

Great deal and glad they got it done.

I'm a total cynic when it comes to the Sens and their finances. Any other Sens fans a little concerned by the structure and him only making 3.8M in the first season of the deal?

It makes me concerned that Hoffman will be traded next summer.
- Charliebox

Just an hour after he signs and we're talking about possible trade lol....... seriously though, the Sens pulled off a great signing and Hoffman got his security. I think it's a win because Hoffman now hits UFA when he's 30 (going on 31). It's good for him to be able to possibly get another solid contract.

Umm no, I actually think the Sens and their fans deserve better than that cheapskate owner. He is a joke. They're lucky Hoffman was kind to accept that offer but wait till Karlsson needs to be resigned. You really think Melnyk will cough up the 9.5+million per easily? That should be fun to watch.
- maxbart5

There's some validity to what your saying without question - especially the $ the Sens are willing to pay from getting the team from competitive to contending. We find that out in the next few years as Dorion has already stated this is a playoff team.

Good signing. Don't bother signing Ceci. Just trade him to VAN for some smoked salmon and the rights to James Tanner.
- storm88

Benning would have to throw in his 2nd round pick for that to work