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feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jul 26 @ 6:18 PM ET
The Hockey News – ‏@TheHockeyNews
Sabres could reportedly look to trade Kane — here are five possible destinations
http://www.thehockeynews....ve-possible-destinations/


1 Vancouver Canucks
2. Anaheim ducks
3 Arizona coyotes
4. Carolina hurricanes
5 Vegas

- GERBE!!!75PTS


Outside ROR Risto Reinhart Eichel (and maybe Nylander)....anyone can go if the price is right..
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:23 PM ET
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Bucci Mane ✔@Buccigross
To Boston for Krejci is floating out there. https://twitter.com/thefi...status/757946991846580224

So krejci for Shattenkirk

Boston's going to have a huge hole at center
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:24 PM ET
The Hockey News – ‏@TheHockeyNews
Sabres could reportedly look to trade Kane — here are five possible destinations
http://www.thehockeynews....ve-possible-destinations/


1 Vancouver Canucks
2. Anaheim ducks
3 Arizona coyotes
4. Carolina hurricanes
5 Vegas

- GERBE!!!75PTS


thats a well thought out destination for him
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 6:26 PM ET
thats a well thought out destination for him
- DDM-Coga



Vegas can not acquire players before their expansion draft, correct?

I would think that is their "official" date of opening as a franchise.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jul 26 @ 6:29 PM ET
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Bucci Mane ✔@Buccigross
To Boston for Krejci is floating out there. https://twitter.com/thefi...status/757946991846580224

So krejci for Shattenkirk

Boston's going to have a huge hole at center

- GERBE!!!75PTS


Krejci is their #2 C, Shattenkirk would be their best D. Not a tough choice.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:31 PM ET
Krejci is their #2 C, Shattenkirk would be their best D. Not a tough choice.
- Sabresfan-365



The question is who's going to fill the second line center
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 26 @ 6:32 PM ET
Vegas can not acquire players before their expansion draft, correct?

I would think that is their "official" date of opening as a franchise.

- rmiethaner


There's going to be a window after the regular season before the expansion draft where they're going to be able to make trades. This is to get out in front of the "handshake deals" of previous expansion drafts.
LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Jul 26 @ 6:40 PM ET
The question is who's going to fill the second line center
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Backes.
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 6:41 PM ET
There's going to be a window after the regular season before the expansion draft where they're going to be able to make trades. This is to get out in front of the "handshake deals" of previous expansion drafts.
- Wetbandit1



I see, ty.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:50 PM ET
Backes.
- LandlordTom


That's a downgrade in my opinion but that's just me

I was thinking He was going to be with Bergeron
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:57 PM ET
Vegas can not acquire players before their expansion draft, correct?

I would think that is their "official" date of opening as a franchise.

- rmiethaner


I would assume that is correct, once they get the expansion draft done, they can start wheelign and dealing
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 26 @ 6:59 PM ET
Backes.
- LandlordTom


I think they have pretty high hope for Spooner too, could see him taking some 2C/3C duties
chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 26 @ 6:59 PM ET
Backes.
- LandlordTom

Backes played 3rd line RW for a majority of last year/playoffs.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 26 @ 7:00 PM ET
There's going to be a window after the regular season before the expansion draft where they're going to be able to make trades. This is to get out in front of the "handshake deals" of previous expansion drafts.
- Wetbandit1


interesting, have no idea how the NHL is going to monitor that, feels like if they are allowing Vegas to talk to teams before the expansion draft, there is more of a chance of tampering of who you are going to pick, if you dont we wil trade you this guy etc etc.

DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 26 @ 7:01 PM ET
Backes played 3rd line RW for a majority of last year/playoffs.
- chilliard77


that has more to do with Blues current forward depth. Wasnt he on the "third line" with steen and berglund?
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 26 @ 7:04 PM ET
I think they have pretty high hope for Spooner too, could see him taking some 2C/3C duties
- DDM-Coga



He would be on our team right now with a second round pick

Oops
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 26 @ 7:06 PM ET
interesting, have no idea how the NHL is going to monitor that, feels like if they are allowing Vegas to talk to teams before the expansion draft, there is more of a chance of tampering of who you are going to pick, if you dont we wil trade you this guy etc etc.
- DDM-Coga


I don't know, but Daly said there was going to be about a month before the expansion draft where Vegas is allowed to make trades. He said they just want everything in the open.
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 7:16 PM ET
I don't know, but Daly said there was going to be about a month before the expansion draft where Vegas is allowed to make trades. He said they just want everything in the open.
- Wetbandit1



Deadhead has pointed out handshake trades have been made before the expansion drafts to ensure a certain player would not be picked from a team.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 26 @ 8:02 PM ET
Deadhead has pointed out handshake trades have been made before the expansion drafts to ensure a certain player would not be picked from a team.
- rmiethaner


I also said that in my first post. It's the how the NHL will regulate it that's interesting. I'm guessing just the fact that the trades have to go through the NHL will be enough to deter any shenanigans.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 26 @ 8:15 PM ET
Maybe this is why the analytics stuff was created, to try to quantify the unquantifiable. I have so little time to get deep into that stuff but much of it makes sense to why some players who rarely score are really valuable and still get paid millions.
- LandlordTom

They help destroy silly narratives. Like Toews is better than Crosby, or Erik Karlsson isn't that great.

Some cherry pick stats (I'm guilty of it) or make bizarre conclusions based on them like James Tanner does. But they are useful
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 26 @ 8:52 PM ET
They help destroy silly narratives. Like Toews is better than Crosby, or Erik Karlsson isn't that great.

Some cherry pick stats (I'm guilty of it) or make bizarre conclusions based on them like James Tanner does. But they are useful

- sbroads24


Mark Pysyk, elite defenseman, disagrees.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 26 @ 9:00 PM ET
Mark Pysyk, elite defenseman, disagrees.
- Der Kaiser

That's an example of people taking them to the absolute extreme.

I have pointed out that not all Pysyk's numbers are great, but people like Coller or White ignore them
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 26 @ 9:02 PM ET
That's an example of people taking them to the absolute extreme.

I have pointed out that not all Pysyk's numbers are great, but people like Coller or White ignore them

- sbroads24



Garbage in.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 26 @ 9:12 PM ET
Garbage in.
- Der Kaiser


It's more incomplete than just "garbage". And it's really not even that if you take a holistic approach to it.
chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 26 @ 9:13 PM ET
Re: advanced stats

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