These two are lost. Kadri not NOT much better than Schenn, same with Killorn. Its good term and Schenn is versatile and it sill improving. Talk to me in two years when players of his caliber with be making 6mil plus. Good deal for both sides.
- vince70

It's not a bargain. But it is a fair deal for both sides.

Flyer fans are generally idiots, but your analysis was pretty bad on this one.
- PhillySportsGuy

Crims is the leader of all Flyers fan.

Kicksave is the exception... with Davies.

Although as an unbiased opinion, I have to agree with Tanner on this one. Killorn and Kadri do have more upswing and potential. I see Schenn as an OK second liner, but I do not see the same potential you guys see. He just doesn't seem to elevate his game to warrant 5M$ per season. I was an OK signing for an OK player, but the team could have signed him for 4M$ per season.
- PtotheY

You don't watch Flyers games night in and night out do you? He is a young and productive player that you can play any forward position. Killorn and Kardi are one trick ponies and don't play as physical and the pp minutes and points Schenn does. Go pound sand bro!

You're on fire today. I agree. The analytics can't be so accurate because hockey is played blisteringly fast, with contact/penalties, and is dependent on the team playing a strategy implemented by a coaching staff. Baseball is player vs pitcher/ball so you can break that down much better. Way too many variables in hockey to argue analytics are very accurate. In my opinion.
- SmielmaN

Agree 100% with you my friend!

These stats tell us that there's no way to truly judge a players skill, & abilities from the 70's, and 80's because they never existed. Instead we were only able to go by the points that a player produced. Therefore if a player in 1981 scored 50 goals, we could either say "great offensive player", or "only a one zone player".
In many ways it shows how the game has evolved, but I can't blatantly call one 50 point guy better than another because his corsi, and fenwick were better.
If a guy is good enough to score a certain amount of points, and follow playing a coaches specific system, then he belongs, otherwise he'd probably be in the KHL otherwise.

Crims is the leader of all Flyers fan.

Kicksave is the exception... with Davies.
- WaterBoy

Agreed

Jason Lewis, I'd like to know how many teams have a 26 goal, 33 assist player on their 3rd line?
- MJL

Pittsburgh for one. Kessel...but I get your point I'm just being difficult.

Pittsburgh for one. Kessel...but I get your point I'm just being difficult.
- kgrpitt

In the regular season, only Crosby and Malkin averaged more ice time per game, among forwards, than Kessel. In the playoffs, only Crosby played more among forwards.

I'm hoping someone can give me an advanced stats lesson on these HERO charts. Why is Kadri considered 1st line while Schenn is 2nd? Is it possession? Schenn had 14 more points. It's also projected for Schenn to be a 3rd line winger the following season, which doesn't make any sense to me.

I had to google Kadri's credentials

I'm hoping someone can give me an advanced stats lesson on these HERO charts. Why is Kadri considered 1st line while Schenn is 2nd? Is it possession? Schenn had 14 more points. It's also projected for Schenn to be a 3rd line winger the following season, which doesn't make any sense to me.


- SimmerDown17

It's complete nonsense. You can't be considered a 1st line center with 3rd line level scoring production. Very solid all around player though.

If the Flyers wanted Schenn on a 4 million dollar cap hit they would've had to sign him last year. Just like if he repeats or enhances his production this season his price tag would've been closer to 6+ than 5 million.

This deal makes a lot of sense for the Flyers. It's the price they pay for doing what made sense last season and waiting for Schenn to establish himself as a top 6 forward before paying him like one.

If the Flyers wanted Schenn on a 4 million dollar cap hit they would've had to sign him last year. Just like if he repeats or enhances his production this season his price tag would've been closer to 6+ than 5 million.

This deal makes a lot of sense for the Flyers. It's the price they pay for doing what made sense last season and waiting for Schenn to establish himself as a top 6 forward before paying him like one.
- Baxter27

Coots is getting $4mil and change a year right? While he does a bunch of other intangible things for the team, defense, shutting down other top players, etc... points get you paid in this league. Coots had 39 last year, Schenn had 59, I don't get why people are baffled he got $5mil when he produced 20 points more? I'm perfectly fine with the deal, gives us options toward the end of deal, and doesn't cripple us, especially if Schenn continues to produce.

I'm hoping someone can give me an advanced stats lesson on these HERO charts. Why is Kadri considered 1st line while Schenn is 2nd? Is it possession? Schenn had 14 more points. It's also projected for Schenn to be a 3rd line winger the following season, which doesn't make any sense to me.


- SimmerDown17

Because when Kadri is on the ice he and his line mates put more pucks on net and get out shot less. That's basically it. Disclaimer: Not saying Kadri is better than Schenn, just explain with the probabilities suggest.

Because when Kadri is on the ice he and his line mates put more pucks on net and get out shot less. That's basically it. Disclaimer: Not saying Kadri is better than Schenn, just explain with the probabilities suggest.
- tomburton99

He and his linemates being the key phrase. Now the question becomes is that because of just Kadri, or a combination of factors? That requires further analysis, and watching the game. Analytics alone cannot answer that question.

He and his linemates being the key phrase. Now the question becomes is that because of just Kadri, or a combination of factors? That requires further analysis, and watching the game. Analytics alone cannot answer that question.
- MJL

You and I see eye to eye when Tanner throws out these gems. I was just clarifying on the chart.

Coots is getting $4mil and change a year right? While he does a bunch of other intangible things for the team, defense, shutting down other top players, etc... points get you paid in this league. Coots had 39 last year, Schenn had 59, I don't get why people are baffled he got $5mil when he produced 20 points more? I'm perfectly fine with the deal, gives us options toward the end of deal, and doesn't cripple us, especially if Schenn continues to produce.
- Tomfan365

Couturier is a prime example of my point. His value to the team has been pretty established for a few years now. It was an easy decision to bank on him last off season and commit long term at a very reasonable cap hit. Flyers rightfully chose to let Schenn prove his value this past season. The extra 700-800K is the price for that. I'm willing to bet Couturier's cap hit would be in the range of 6 million if they attempted to lock him up at 24/25 instead of 22.

Crims is the leader of all Flyers fan.

Kicksave is the exception... with Davies.
- WaterBoy

what the (frank) is this?!?

Crims is the leader of all Flyers fan.

Kicksave is the exception... with Davies.
- WaterBoy

high five, pal

How many third liners score 26 goals in this league?
- MBFlyerfan

This is a faulty reasoning. He scored 26 goals playing on the 2nd line, but that doesn't mean he's a 2nd liner.

Schenn is a passenger on this Flyers team. Not a driver. We don't need anymore passengers. We have too many as it is.

This is a faulty reasoning. He scored 26 goals playing on the 2nd line, but that doesn't mean he's a 2nd liner.

Schenn is a passenger on this Flyers team. Not a driver. We don't need anymore passengers. We have too many as it is.
- MikesPillBottle

Nonsense.

This is a faulty reasoning. He scored 26 goals playing on the 2nd line, but that doesn't mean he's a 2nd liner.

Schenn is a passenger on this Flyers team. Not a driver. We don't need anymore passengers. We have too many as it is.
- MikesPillBottle

oh christ

terrible mistake posting here.

awful.

This is a faulty reasoning. He scored 26 goals playing on the 2nd line, but that doesn't mean he's a 2nd liner.

Schenn is a passenger on this Flyers team. Not a driver. We don't need anymore passengers. We have too many as it is.
- MikesPillBottle

Why doesn't it mean he's not a second line player?

How many players in the NHL, are actually "drivers" and not "passengers"?

Does a goal scored by a "passenger" count less than a goal scored by a "driver"?

Every team needs support offensive players, and not every player can be a top player. I wish we did have too many 26 goal, 33 assist passengers on the Flyers.

Nonsense.
- MBFlyerfan

Faulty reasoning is where I lost it.