I definitely should have clarified. On a good team, LONG TERM I think he caps out as a regular 3C. I personally don't think he sustains a 50-60+ point production for that long.

Or maybe I just have Mike Richards shell shock still. We'll see. 3C was used too loosely on my part.
- Jason_Lewis

Jason, Schenn doesn't even play center anymore. He's a winger.

These stats definitely have a place in the game and do bring a lot of value to being able to judge a player and analyze what a player contributes.

That said - hockey will never be baseball/moneyball. Advanced stats most definitely have flaws and one of the big downfalls is that a lot of the stats are based of a 5 man unit on the ice and cannot be isolated to a single player.

But to dismiss analytics is silly as they are a great tool in the toolbox.
- Joel_Eh

You hit the nail on the head. They're team stats, not individual stats. They should be used as a tool to help show what happens on the ice, not who is responsible for it. Not capable of that.

i dont disagree with some of that but if i asked who between Kadri and Killorn plays a better defensive game how would you answer and how would you quantify it?

I'd use relative shot suppression/generation stats with quality of competition, GA differentials, yadda yadda.

Back in the day they'd say +/-...which is a pretty weak stat.
- Joel_Eh

actually watching games in person. helps if you are in the second level and above as well. also what players play in what situations. .

you get a player who is on the ice and is effective with a minute left down a goal or up a goal. thats real value. Look at the diff between weber and subban. weber is a stud the same exact way pronger used to be. both up and down a goal with a minute left you want weber out there. subban would not be my ideal choice to be on the ice up a goal.. this is the kinda stuff best seen in person. backchecking, things going on behind the play like Schenn driving James Neal absolutely crazy in a playoff game to the extent the entire Penquins team is off track. you can only see this in person and no today's announcers with their agenda ridden broadcasts do not exactly help in this regard.

Jason, Schenn doesn't even play center anymore. He's a winger.
- MJL

In fairness to Jason, I think he's making the argument that Schenn is at his best playing center as opposed to wing.

Prime age's for a forward is 27-31.

This hockey blog makes me hate the flyers more. Thanks Ek

In fairness to Jason, I think he's making the argument that Schenn is at his best playing center as opposed to wing.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Still a false argument. Schenn is clearly better as a winger than as a center. Which is why he is now a winger.

How many third liners score 26 goals in this league?

In fairness to Jason, I think he's making the argument that Schenn is at his best playing center as opposed to wing.
- Doc_Sarcasm

if true that only exasperates the point that he does not know the player..

besides the stats are on schenn side here.

Still a false argument. Schenn is clearly better as a winger than as a center. Which is why he is now a winger.
- MJL

Its debatable. I'm not going to debate, because quite frankly I'm well aware that Hextall and Hakstol are better judges of talent than I am. Either it works, or it doesnt.

For someone who has spent so much time between TO and Philly, how is it possible that you've missed the fact that Schenn has spent the better portion of his career playing center?
- Doc_Sarcasm

I read it as if he was saying that Schenn is not a center, as in, he is now a winger and will be played as a Winger. His first full season as a winger and he produced his best year.

actually watching games in person. helps if you are in the second level and above as well. also what players play in what situations. .

you get a player who is on the ice and is effective with a minute left down a goal or up a goal. thats real value. Look at the diff between weber and subban. weber is a stud the same exact way pronger used to be. both up and down a goal with a minute left you want weber out there. subban would not be my ideal choice to be on the ice up a goal.. this is the kinda stuff best seen in person. backchecking, things going on behind the play like Schenn driving James Neal absolutely crazy in a playoff game to the extent the entire Penquins team is off track. you can only see this in person and no today's announcers with their agenda ridden broadcasts do not exactly help in this regard.
- joenardonesson

Oh i 100% agree a lot can only be gleaned from actually seeing the player...but if somebody asked me my input on two players i only watch play a handful of times a game i'm going to have to do some digging.

There's also some things that people may not notice when watching a game that can be gained from the stats you look at after a game. I just know personally i watch the habs and the wings the most if i want to make an educated statement regarding any other teams player i'd want to do some research first because i dont have the benefit of watching them play a lot.

I read it as if he was saying that Schenn is not a center, as in, he is now a winger and will be played as a Winger. His first full season as a winger and he produced his best year.
- jak521

Okay.

For someone who has spent so much time between TO and Philly, how is it possible that you've missed the fact that Schenn has spent the better portion of his career playing center?
- Doc_Sarcasm

did not miss it at all. you watch schenn in person you know he is better suited as a winger. prob the reason why he plays the wing these days. no he did not start playing in the wing from the beginning. not sure of the relevance.

be happy to wax poetic about why he is better suited on the wing, but think that would be beating a dead horse for even the casual fan..

the fact is we have folks who don't watch games in person making judgement by looking at stats that barely appear in a normal box score. spend a couple of bucks and watch the games people.

I definitely should have clarified. On a good team, LONG TERM I think he caps out as a regular 3C. I personally don't think he sustains a 50-60+ point production for that long.

Or maybe I just have Mike Richards shell shock still. We'll see. 3C was used too loosely on my part.
- Jason_Lewis

Flyer fans are generally idiots, but your analysis was pretty bad on this one.

Flyer fans are generally idiots, but your analysis was pretty bad on this one.
- PhillySportsGuy

A good example would be a Flyers fan getting uber excited about a routine signing of a depth 6/7 defenseman to a two year deal for under 1M a year.

Prime age's for a forward is 27-31.
- Leniwm1

No

A good example would be a Flyers fan getting uber excited about a routine signing of a depth 6/7 defenseman to a two year deal for under 1M a year.
- MJL

A good example could be the guy who hangs out in the Flyer threads all day and argues incessantly about semantics while he strokes himself to pictures of MacDonald backing off the blue line.

Or how about the guy who can't recognize sarcasm when he sees 400 hearts.

This is very exciting.

Why are Kadri and Schenn even being compared? They're pretty different players. I think both of them got pretty solid contracts.

Its debatable. I'm not going to debate, because quite frankly I'm well aware that Hextall and Hakstol are better judges of talent than I am. Either it works, or it doesnt.
- Doc_Sarcasm

True, but don't feel bad. We're all in that boat with you.

tanner says 3rd line center for 59 points..

I guess the Coyotes only have 4th line centers...

What do you guys think of the Manning Signing?.... Could this mean somebody on the D is on the move?...

What do you guys think of the Manning Signing?.... Could this mean somebody on the D is on the move?...
- LLCoolJson

I think he was going to be re-signed regardless. A lot depends on what happens in training camp, and if a young player such as Provorov can make the team.

These two are lost. Kadri not NOT much better than Schenn, same with Killorn. Its good term and Schenn is versatile and it sill improving. Talk to me in two years when players of his caliber with be making 6mil plus. Good deal for both sides.