Didnt we do that with some guys we traded for last year? (send a few to the Marlies). Just a guess, but Id wager we did that
- poohcrumbs

Don't remember but if they did i'm willing to bet they were AHL players.

Just saying if you can move Carter Ashton and David Broll to the Tampa Bay Lightning for a conditional seventh-round pick in 2016.



You can move Holland..easily
- poohcrumbs

Nobody even wanted him for free.

He’s moveable right now, but only for lateral move imo.

Nobody even wanted him for free.

He’s moveable right now, but only for lateral move imo.
- Tumbleweed

Nobody wanted him for free cause they had zero clue about the arbitrators decision. What if he got that 2.1 or even more, holy moly then they'ed be in a jamb.

Nobody even wanted him for free.

He’s moveable right now, but only for lateral move imo.
- Tumbleweed

alot going on at this point, lots of in house work going on. I wouldnt think a team would want him now, gotta keep your options open. PTOs, late fa signings etc.


Im sure something will shake out b4 the 1st quarter of the season is over


and like the above poster said, the arb makes him untouchable

Look at all the stiffs we have moved in the last 12 months. Not like its a Clarkson contract or Dion. Send him with a 3rd or 4th rounder for a 6th or 7th conditional.

Similar to the Carter Ashton deal
- poohcrumbs

Send him WITH a pick? They have no NEED to dump him.

Send him WITH a pick? They have no NEED to dump him.
- prock

Exactly. Not sure why everybody thinks all of the Marlies are going to be immediately on the Leafs.

Look at all the stiffs we have moved in the last 12 months. Not like its a Clarkson contract or Dion. Send him with a 3rd or 4th rounder for a 6th or 7th conditional.

Similar to the Carter Ashton deal
- poohcrumbs

No point in that... I think when we talk about him being tradeable, we're talking about trading him for equal or positive value.


With Bernier, at least there is the hope he can bounce back.
With Phaneuf, his name carries enough weight that he still had value.
With Polak, he was seen as the kind of physical beast you need in the playoffs.
With Clarkson, he was valuable to Columbus, because in theory he could play, and had an insured contract.. and we didn't get any value for him outside of cap space we would have had if we hadn't signed him.

etc etc.

Pretty much every player we traded for value actually had a characteristic people would want.

Holland is "meh" across the board.

IMO the only likely trade for him that would make sense would be for a guy who is overall worse, but better in an area of need. Or as part of a package where we get a poopty contract and a decent piece.

No point in that... I think when we talk about him being tradeable, we're talking about trading him for equal or positive value.


With Bernier, at least there is the hope he can bounce back.
With Phaneuf, his name carries enough weight that he still had value.
With Polak, he was seen as the kind of physical beast you need in the playoffs.
With Clarkson, he was valuable to Columbus, because in theory he could play, and had an insured contract.. and we didn't get any value for him outside of cap space we would have had if we hadn't signed him.

etc etc.

Pretty much every player we traded for value actually had a characteristic people would want.

Holland is "meh" across the board.

IMO the only likely trade for him that would make sense would be for a guy who is overall worse, but better in an area of need. Or as part of a package where we get a poopty contract and a decent piece.
- Feeling Glucky?

There will be no more poopty contracts, this is the year they rid themselves of all.

All but Lupuls.

So a "promising" 3rd line player is worth way more than a borderline HOF goalie in his prime. I know the goalie mkt is odd, but calling a Pageau trade as a huge overpayment is silly. Ottawa would be getting the best player in the deal by far.

Your trade offer won't fly. We don't exactly need salary retention on Anderson as Fleury is more expensive so it opens up cap space. So your basically paying another team a 3rd round pick to take MAF. You do this deal at the 25th hour before the expansion draft

Nobody even wanted him for free.

He’s moveable right now, but only for lateral move imo.
- Tumbleweed

Good thing about Holland he's a local player that really wants to be a Leaf.

Bad thing is - he sucks large. Not every 15th pick works out - Bossy surely did, but not Holland.

He was a lousy and inconsistent fourth line center on a last place club - is it a wonder why he has little trade value? His best hope is to be filler on this team - he is not even close to being a player of significant value as this team moves to respectability. Even pump and dump as the Leafs have practiced with several players is unlikely to lead to a meaningful return on trade.

Nobody wanted him for free cause they had zero clue about the arbitrators decision. What if he got that 2.1 or even more, holy moly then they'ed be in a jamb.
- the_eye

I did not know that was allowable.

Still, I suspect if a team wanted him, they could have easily settled for something just under $2M.

There will be no more poopty contracts, this is the year they rid themselves of all.

All but Lupuls.
- the_eye

Huh? Hell no.

Why package up a pick, the kind of pick the Leafs should be trying to attain, not dump, for a guy that can fill up depth holes on both the Marlies and Leafs, in fact, the kind we'll probably need at some point this season, just to trade for another depth guy down the line, when he's doing no harm, carries next to no cap hit while with the Marlies, and isn't really a problem anywhere.

Just let him sit. If we get a pick at the deadline, great. If not, who cares? He fills a few holes.

I did not know that was allowable.

Still, I suspect if a team wanted him, they could have easily settled for something just under $2M.
- Tumbleweed

No, $2.1M was absolute worst case scenario. And we all knew that wasn't going to happen.

There will be no more poopty contracts, this is the year they rid themselves of all.

All but Lupuls.
- the_eye

I could see us being sellers at the TDL again this year.

Taking back poopty expiring deals would be fine if we are.

Enroth just doesn't seem to be the type of goalie Babcock likes. He's 5'10. Babs likes big bodies in goal.
- mykokes

I think a backup might be an exception.

So a "promising" 3rd line player is worth way more than a borderline HOF goalie in his prime. I know the goalie mkt is odd, but calling a Pageau trade as a huge overpayment is silly. Ottawa would be getting the best player in the deal by far.

Your trade offer won't fly. We don't exactly need salary retention on Anderson as Fleury is more expensive so it opens up cap space. So your basically paying another team a 3rd round pick to take MAF. You do this deal at the 25th hour before the expansion draft



- AdamFrench

You missed the "promising" top six but possibly only a 2nd or 3rd line center is too much for MAF.

So a "promising" 3rd line player is worth way more than a borderline HOF goalie in his prime. I know the goalie mkt is odd, but calling a Pageau trade as a huge overpayment is silly. Ottawa would be getting the best player in the deal by far.

Your trade offer won't fly. We don't exactly need salary retention on Anderson as Fleury is more expensive so it opens up cap space. So your basically paying another team a 3rd round pick to take MAF. You do this deal at the 25th hour before the expansion draft



- AdamFrench

Please tell me where this is from?

Please tell me where this is from?
- prock

Pens thread. He also equates the NHL's drafting rules to slavery.

Huh? Hell no.

Why package up a pick, the kind of pick the Leafs should be trying to attain, not dump, for a guy that can fill up depth holes on both the Marlies and Leafs, in fact, the kind we'll probably need at some point this season, just to trade for another depth guy down the line, when he's doing no harm, carries next to no cap hit while with the Marlies, and isn't really a problem anywhere.

Just let him sit. If we get a pick at the deadline, great. If not, who cares? He fills a few holes.
- prock

Ummm, wasn't me throwing him away with a pick.
It's a one year deal they can just lose him at the end of the season, or they can send him down. He's already cleared waivers.
I said they'll not be taking on any more bad contracts, at the end of this year they'll be in cap heaven.

I could see us being sellers at the TDL again this year.

Taking back poopty expiring deals would be fine if we are.
- Tumbleweed

If they are expiring fine. Won't be any with term screwing up the capanza they have going on.

If they are expiring fine. Won't be any with term screwing up the capanza they have going on.
- the_eye

agreed.

Only exception I see - if we move bozak or lupul, I wouldn’t be opposed to taking on players with slightly higher caphits and equal term left. if we can juice up the returns.

I just wanted to know why he thought a one way would make a difference, I agree he's not tradable at this point, but at the deadline playoff teams like to havee a little depth.
- the_eye

Because for a lot of teams, Holland is a guy who may not make your big club - so you'd have to shove him in the AHL.

If you are a small-market team, the difference is $1 million.

For that price, you are better off trying to promote from within.

Just saying if you can move Carter Ashton and David Broll to the Tampa Bay Lightning for a conditional seventh-round pick in 2016.



You can move Holland..easily
- poohcrumbs

But here's my question:

Why the frank do we want to have Holland taking up a roster spot all year, if the final payout is going to be a conditional seventh-round pick?

But here's my question:

Why the frank do we want to have Holland taking up a roster spot all year, if the final payout is going to be a conditional seventh-round pick?
- Atomic Wedgie

They were stuck with him no matter what, that's why.
But now they can send him down.

But here's my question:

Why the frank do we want to have Holland taking up a roster spot all year, if the final payout is going to be a conditional seventh-round pick?
- Atomic Wedgie

He should be the 3rd line centre and Bozak should be gone.
Maybe part of a package for a d-man.