Yeah, very few players are consistent year to year.
- Tomahawk

Agreed, would rather have a players who produces consistently like Zac Rinaldo. You know exactly what you're getting from him game in game out.

So they could have got a two year deal and saved a whopping $250,000 per year?
- Feanor

AND have him be a UFA after the 2 yrs. happy to see the Flyers "buy" two years of his UFA for that 250-500K

Not from me -- I wouldn't have gone more than 5, but they did, so what are you gonna do?

Now, almost everybody who truly matters is either signed for a couple more seasons or is on an ELC

Only thing that matters now is winning hockey games
- AllInForFlyers

I didn't want to go over $5mil AAV either, but really, that's where the market went. Schenn's agent would be dumb to ask for less than market value at Brayden's age.

The deal makes sense and if Schenn completely craps the bed, you don't have to live with this deal forever.

The deal makes sense, I think.

I do look forward to the multiple think pieces over of the next couple of days informing me how overpaid Schenn is now based on one statistic someone will take and beat you over the head with like a cudgel.

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Every negotiation is different. Far too much is being read into this. As an example, in a negotiation, if the Raffl camp is looking for a number and term that is immediately agreeable to Hextall, then the negotiation will happen quickly. If a player such as Schenn, is asking for an elevated number, that Hextall is not agreeable to, and the Schenn camp is willing to play hardball and use arbitration as some leverage, then the negotiation will take considerably longer. This is being badly misread as some kind of indictment on how Hextall feels about Schenn compared to other players.
- MJL

its pretty evident in how this whole negotiations went down, from last year to now, the way he speaks about his game and what he needs to do compared to other guys. if u dont see it thats fine, and it wasnt at all about whether or not he would sign him, that seemed like a foregone conclusion. the path that was traveled to get here is different than other extensions. but once again with you, im going to agree to disagree.

If you're not totally happy with Schenn after two years, then surely it make more sense to trade him with two years left at $5.125m than just watch him walk out the door?
- Feanor

Absolutely. If he doesn't play to the standards of the deal and he's still only 26-27 years old, someone will take that deal. His play will have to jump off a cliff for soneone not to.

Schenn's totals have only increased since entering the league. I believe he can post 60 plus if he remains healthy and plays with top six players and top unit PP time.

I didn't want to go over $5mil AAV either, but really, that's where the market went. Schenn's agent would be dumb to ask for less than market value at Brayden's age.

The deal makes sense and if Schenn completely craps the bed, you don't have to live with this deal forever.

The deal makes sense, I think.

I do look forward to the multiple think pieces over of the next couple of days informing me how overpaid Schenn is now based on one statistic someone will take and beat you over the head with like a cudgel.
- johndewar

It's fine. I'm one of those people who doesn't care if the only thing you do is produce points, as long as you do it. If Schenn can get 50-plus points per season and not be invisible for ridiculous stretches, he is good enough

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- Crimsoninja

well said

I didn't want to go over $5mil AAV either, but really, that's where the market went. Schenn's agent would be dumb to ask for less than market value at Brayden's age.

The deal makes sense and if Schenn completely craps the bed, you don't have to live with this deal forever.

The deal makes sense, I think.

I do look forward to the multiple think pieces over of the next couple of days informing me how overpaid Schenn is now based on one statistic someone will take and beat you over the head with like a cudgel.
- johndewar

This is a fair view.

Mood?

well said
- nastyflyergirl

its a metaphor

Absolutely. If he doesn't play to the standards of the deal and he's still only 26-27 years old, someone will take that deal. His play will have to jump off a cliff for soneone not to.

Schenn's totals have only increased since entering the league. I believe he can post 60 plus if he remains healthy and plays with top six players and top unit PP time.
- roenick97

I don't think he's ever going to go full "Jonathan Cheechoo".

If he scores consistently and stays strong on the forecheck, etc, I think it will work out fine for both sides.

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- Crimsoninja

go on

Well I for one look forward to two months of arguing that Schenn's avg is 500k too much.
- hereticpride

its pretty evident in how this whole negotiations went down, from last year to now, the way he speaks about his game and what he needs to do compared to other guys. if u dont see it thats fine, and it wasnt at all about whether or not he would sign him, that seemed like a foregone conclusion. the path that was traveled to get here is different than other extensions. but once again with you, im going to agree to disagree.
- sjk540

Yes, the path was different. My point is that doesn't mean it's an indication of how Hextall feels about the player. Every player has areas of his game that needs to be worked on. If we want to use that logic, let's compare the contracts of one of the players you mentioned, Raffl to Schenn. Hextall agreed to a 3 year deal with Raffl for 2.35M a year. He just agreed to a deal with Schenn for 4 years at a little over 5M a year. Therefore, Hextall must like Schenn better than Raffl, and feels he's a more important player. A comment was made by another poster that Couturier is a more important player than Schenn is, which I agree with. Hextall must not feel the same because he agreed to pay Schenn 5.125 AAV compared to Couturier at 4.333M. The path was different simply because both sides stuck to their guns until the last minute. Schenn's camp used arbitration as leverage.

I didn't want to go over $5mil AAV either, but really, that's where the market went. Schenn's agent would be dumb to ask for less than market value at Brayden's age.

The deal makes sense and if Schenn completely craps the bed, you don't have to live with this deal forever.

The deal makes sense, I think.

I do look forward to the multiple think pieces over of the next couple of days informing me how overpaid Schenn is now based on one statistic someone will take and beat you over the head with like a cudgel.
- johndewar

Then I suggest you also frequent the Arizona Coyotes thread - you can double your pleasure!

The deal makes sense and if Schenn completely craps the bed, you don't have to live with this deal forever.
- johndewar

Yeah, it's not a big deal for sure.

It's a great deal for both sides.

Schenn is signed through what is likely to be the prime of his career and is being fairly compensated for it. Term and structure is cap friendly if he doesn't quite live up to expectations. He should still have plenty of motivation to earn his next deal at 28.

im glad they agreed on deal, arbritation sucks because if it comes out a lot lower the player will be unhappy during his tenure and if its higher the gm has to either pay it or let him walk with no compensation

or take a few Viargras!!!

im glad they agreed on deal, arbritation sucks because if it comes out a lot lower the player will be unhappy during his tenure and if its higher the gm has to either pay it or let him walk with no compensation
- mydoglicks

Not to mention the player has to sit in the room while the team rips apart his game.

I'm poking around in here to gauge your fan reaction because the obvious comparable is Kadri, but IMO, as an outsider looking in, this is a pretty fair deal for Schenn.

As others have pointed out, maybe a half milly too much, but isn't every deal this days a half milly too much?

I had term and was about 1 mln off for entire contract. It was within his comps.

Yes, the path was different. My point is that doesn't mean it's an indication of how Hextall feels about the player. Every player has areas of his game that needs to be worked on. If we want to use that logic, let's compare the contracts of one of the players you mentioned, Raffl to Schenn. Hextall agreed to a 3 year deal with Raffl for 2.35M a year. He just agreed to a deal with Schenn for 4 years at a little over 5M a year. Therefore, Hextall must like Schenn better than Raffl, and feels he's a more important player. A comment was made by another poster that Couturier is a more important player than Schenn is, which I agree with. Hextall must not feel the same because he agreed to pay Schenn 5.125 AAV compared to Couturier at 4.333M. The path was different simply because both sides stuck to their guns until the last minute. Schenn's camp used arbitration as leverage.
- MJL

again, missing my point. im not talking about the length or money, at all, im talking about how we arrived where we are today, on the verge of arbitration, something we have no gotten close to with any of the other aforementioned players. please show me where i said i think hextall feels about his players by the money he offers them. the point ive been trying to make is that the path towards getting brayden a new contract felt, and in fact was, a lot different than any before him. and, due to this, it seems to me that hextall feels differently about schenn's future with the flyers. of course, a deal got done today in the 11th hour, so hexy seems to think he is a part of their future. but there was a lot of doubt and to me, in my opinion, Hexy isnt quite as sold on schenn in conjunction with the amount he used to retain him, compared to contracts he has done in the past.

It's a great deal for both sides.

Schenn is signed through what is likely to be the prime of his career and is being fairly compensated for it. Term and structure is cap friendly if he doesn't quite live up to expectations. He should still have plenty of motivation to earn his next deal at 28.
- Baxter27

I think that bolded part seems to be how Hexy is operating so far which is really good to see..

I'm glad everyone gets it, but that shouldn't mean that I have to stop posting about him.

I appreciate the apology, but it isn't wasn't needed. Men say things to one another and get over it. No need to hold grudges from a place where we have more in common than we'd all like to admit.

We're all Flyer fans and want what is best for the team. I think we're better off using Schenn as an asset now, before the rest of the league finds out that he isn't anything special. That's how I see it. He could be something more, but not with the Flyers.

We've kind of taken the Edmonton approach to prospects. Hold onto them until they have no value and are signed to a long term deal that cripples us and we are forced to endure or give him away.

I see Schenn as Leino with the Sabres. Had one good year in the final year of his contract and signed a nice new deal, than disappeared into the ashbin of Flyer history for that one good playoff run.

If I'm wrong, the Flyers win. If I'm right I win. It's a win/win for me.
- MikesPillBottle

not even close