you're missing my point. boil it down, hextall does not think of schenn as schenn does, nor does he feel the way he feels about the other core forwards. the fact that they had to negotiate all the way to his arbitration date says it all. he has only been GM for two years but how many contracts has he signed players to? he has now locked up all the core players i am mentioning in his tenure, Coots, G, Jake, Raffl, and Simmer, correct? how many players, that were important to the team like these players, took this long in negotiations? 0.
- sjk540

Every negotiation is different. Far too much is being read into this. As an example, in a negotiation, if the Raffl camp is looking for a number and term that is immediately agreeable to Hextall, then the negotiation will happen quickly. If a player such as Schenn, is asking for an elevated number, that Hextall is not agreeable to, and the Schenn camp is willing to play hardball and use arbitration as some leverage, then the negotiation will take considerably longer. This is being badly misread as some kind of indictment on how Hextall feels about Schenn compared to other players.

That "fair" deal was the Flyers' low-ball offer. They obviously intended to pay more than that.

Edit: I can't prove this, but the fact that they signed him to the deal they did meant that they valued him much more than their offer showed.
- jmatchett383

Probably

Would of preferred 3 years for Schenn, but 4 is much better than 5+ years. The best news there are no excuses for not performing.

That wasn't a deal, that was the Flyers arbitration position. The arbitrator would have picked a number in between that and the $5.5m Schenn's camp asked for in arbitration, and the Flyers would have been back negotiating with Schenn a year from now and possibly losing him to free agency if they couldn't work out an extension.
- Feanor

Fine. I loved the two year part.

Fine. I loved the two year part.
- Scoob

YOU WOULD!!!

That's not just Schenn and Hartnell. That's essentially everyone that scores 50-60 points a year. They're all "inconsistent."
- phatpat44

I think it has more to do with the fact that Schenn doesn't really do anything else well other than produce points. During those seasons when he's not as productive in that department, he's not going to be as useful.

Hartnell has been a possession driver throughout his career. He's played with tons of different linemates and has consistently made them better. Even when Hartnell wasn't scoring, he was still helping the guys around him get more chances.

That's not just Schenn and Hartnell. That's essentially everyone that scores 50-60 points a year. They're all "inconsistent."
- phatpat44

Hartnell also set his career high in goals for a season with 37 right as his contract was expiring. Hasn't hit 30 again since.

Players play their best when money is on the line, generally. Players like P. Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovenchicken etc don't, but they're elite talents. Having to work your ass off to get a contract like Schenn's isn't easy but it does show potential.

The really hard part for him will be finding a way to motivate himself to continue to produce like that without the contract fueling him.

Hartnell also didn't have his first 60 point year till his 26 year old season. I wonder if everyone in Nashville assumed he had peaked at age 24 and 25.

Two years is only better than four if you expect Schenn to have no trade value when he's 27 years old.

Seems like a decent deal for both sides.
- ob18

It's good enough to go with. No real complaints. Flyers came in too low to beat him on arbitration, so I figured a deal would get done that looked something like that

YOU WOULD!!!
- jmatchett383

iSmart

Hartnell also set his career high in goals for a season with 37 right as his contract was expiring. Hasn't hit 30 again since.

Players play their best when money is on the line, generally. Players like P. Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovenchicken etc don't, but they're elite talents. Having to work your ass off to get a contract like Schenn's isn't easy but it does show potential.

The really hard part for him will be finding a way to motivate himself to continue to produce like that without the contract fueling him.
- MikesPillBottle

He scored 37 a year before his deal expired. The Flyers signed him pre-emptively after that so they wouldn't have to negotiate in a contract year. It backfired.

4 years 5.15 mil is a very good deal for both sides. Now, Schenn has to continue to be the player he was last year, especially from December on.
- jak521

in his first 3 full seasons he has gone from .500 ppg to .573 to .738. im encouraged that he has shown progress each yr.

iSmart
- Scoob

iFartinyourgeneraldirection

in his first 3 full seasons he has gone from .500 ppg to .573 to .738. im encouraged that he has shown progress each yr.
- nastyflyergirl

5v5 shot differentials or some such poop.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Schenn doesn't really do anything else well other than produce points. During those seasons when he's not as productive in that department, he's not going to be as useful.

Hartnell has been a possession driver throughout his career. He's played with tons of different linemates and has consistently made them better. Even when Hartnell wasn't scoring, he was still helping the guys around him get more chances.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah. That's a good point. He needs to be producing in order to be valuable. I guess that's why he gets the inconsistent label. Other streaky scorers who do other things well don't get the label but those who rely mainly on scoring do. Makes sense.

He scored 37 a year before his deal expired. The Flyers signed him pre-emptively after that so they wouldn't have to negotiate in a contract year. It backfired.
- jmatchett383

Stop fact checking me, it's rude in my country. You're supposed to believe everything I type, thus proving me to be correct at all times.

Well I for one look forward to two months of arguing that Schenn's avg is 500k too much.

I can't figure out if this is an argument for or against Schenn
- PhillySportsGuy

gotta say I thought the same thing. 49 out of 180 top 6 guys seems pretty solid to me. top 3rd, no?

Stop fact checking me, it's rude in my country. You're supposed to believe everything I type, thus proving me to be correct at all times.


- MikesPillBottle

Didn't need to fact check, I remember a lot of people being against the preemptive extension.

Yes, generally speaking, players perform better in contract years. That said, Schenn is a 24-year-old who's numbers have been improving every year. In the prime of his career, I see no reason why he should have any drastic reduction over the next 3-4 years.

Hartnell also set his career high in goals for a season with 37 right as his contract was expiring. Hasn't hit 30 again since.

Players play their best when money is on the line, generally. Players like P. Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovenchicken etc don't, but they're elite talents. Having to work your ass off to get a contract like Schenn's isn't easy but it does show potential.

The really hard part for him will be finding a way to motivate himself to continue to produce like that without the contract fueling him.
- MikesPillBottle

Very good post. I still feel like he could go back to doing his David Copperfield vanishing acts like he has done before. On the flip side though, this new deal could be his motivation. He got close to what he wanted. Now go out and prove it. Lot if eyes in Schenn this season.

Would of preferred 3 years for Schenn, but 4 is much better than 5+ years. The best news there are no excuses for not performing.
- Glak18

On the whole, I think it worked out about where it should have worked out.

Maybe a slightly higher AAV than I thought, but not much higher.

That's not just Schenn and Hartnell. That's essentially everyone that scores 50-60 points a year. They're all "inconsistent."
- phatpat44

Yeah, very few players are consistent year to year.

Well I for one look forward to two months of arguing that Schenn's avg is 500k too much.
- hereticpride

Andrew MacDonald is a very happy man right now.

in his first 3 full seasons he has gone from .500 ppg to .573 to .738. im encouraged that he has shown progress each yr.
- nastyflyergirl

Thats always my take.

It worked that way with JvR, with Voracek and now so far Schenn.

Players in todays game take a bit longer to fully blossom. There are certainly exceptions too.

The deal is a good deal for both parties.

Well I for one look forward to two months of arguing that Schenn's avg is 500k too much.
- hereticpride

Not from me -- I wouldn't have gone more than 5, but they did, so what are you gonna do?

Now, almost everybody who truly matters is either signed for a couple more seasons or is on an ELC

Only thing that matters now is winning hockey games