Good man.
- jmatchett383

I've been in here before. He won't let you leave. Ever.

I see him as the guy at the end of a date that can't stop begging the woman to come upstairs.

So stat sheets are all that matter?

Good to know.
- MikesPillBottle

DGTBG

There is a market value for every player. Some negotiations, are easy, and some aren't. Some are short, and some are long. You've ignored that Hextall has said all along, that he wants to sign Schenn to a long term deal, and he just did. What does that tell you about how Hextall feels about Schenn? The goal of every GM, is to sign the player, to the cheapest, fair deal he can. A GM does not want a disgruntled player that is unhappy with his contract. Nor does a GM want to be bent over and have a player overpaid, hurting the cap situation.
- MJL

you're missing my point. boil it down, hextall does not think of schenn as schenn does, nor does he feel the way he feels about the other core forwards. the fact that they had to negotiate all the way to his arbitration date says it all. he has only been GM for two years but how many contracts has he signed players to? he has now locked up all the core players i am mentioning in his tenure, Coots, G, Jake, Raffl, and Simmer, correct? how many players, that were important to the team like these players, took this long in negotiations? 0.

Yeah, even if it had taken him to UFA.

We know how inconsistent Schenn has always been as a player... expecting his production to be consistent from here on out is a bit of a stretch for me.



I suspect he'll be a bit like Hartsy, yo-yo'ing between mediocre seasons and good ones, driving everybody crazy.
- Tomahawk

His scouting report even details the flaw in his game as being inconsistent. That's how far back that goes.

Yeah...the Canucks first rounder doe
- PhillySportsGuy

Wait...doesn't Vancouver have an NBA team? The Grizzlies, I think?

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Arbitration Day, National TV, Bernie Parent & More
- bmeltzer

Parent is a pimp!

A little more than I wanted to pay for Schenn but 4 years and the overpayment shows we wanted him and he's apart of the core.

Wait...doesn't Vancouver have an NBA team? The Grizzlies, I think?
- jmatchett383

Yes

So after Manning signs his deal we will have a little a mil in space. I assume manning or benning will be sent to the minors to clear a roster spot. It seems kind of difficult,at thsi point, to pencil in Konecky and provy with limited cap space. Unless Hexy already has deals in place just incase they decide to keep these young kids up. Like moving streit,mcdud, or read at end of training camp.
- jmdodgeser4

I don't think Manning should get more than $750K, and the Flyers have $2,013,334 right now if you send Brennan down.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/philadelphia-flyers

So they can promote whoever they want and still have $1m in cap space. For example, if Weal is sent down and Lubimov is promoted.

So would you rather have got the 2 year deal in arbitration at $4,875,000? That was the midpoint of the offers.
- Feanor

I preferred the deal I saw tweeted about over the weekend.

Year 1: 4.25
Year 2: 4.369

I've been in here before. He won't let you leave. Ever.

I see him as the guy at the end of a date that can't stop begging the woman to come upstairs.
- MikesPillBottle

"Look, let's discuss the facts. I paid $43.65 for your dinner. That's 27% higher than the average first date meal. I also let you have a glass of wine that I'm not even going to bring into the equation. You can use all of the hyperbole you want about me not being attractive and being a robot who speaks in monotone, but the truth is that I'm arguably the best person in the world. The simple truth is that I have been producing at a level above average for getting laid on the first date."

So they could have got a two year deal and saved a whopping $250,000 per year?
- Feanor

Yes, because it'd be just a two year deal.

If you had to choose between Hartnell (At age 24) or Schenn who would it be?
- MikesPillBottle

Pointless question. We can't have Hartnell at 24. Hell, if you are going to play that game and we're talking LWs, give me Billy Barber or John Leclair at 24.

I preferred the deal I saw tweeted about over the weekend.

Year 1: 4.25
Year 2: 4.369
- Scoob

I'd prefer him signed to an 8-year deal at the league minumum, and I'd very much like for Tampa Bay to trade use Hedman at 50% retained for AMac. But those things aren't gonna happen.

I'll understand there being a debate on the contract. At the very least, if he doesn't progress, it's a movable deal.

I'd prefer him signed to an 8-year deal at the league minumum, and I'd very much like for Tampa Bay to trade use Hedman at 50% retained for AMac. But those things aren't gonna happen.
- jmatchett383

Right, but your example is silly to the extreme. The tweet I mentioned is realistic and fair.

"Look, let's discuss the facts. I paid $43.65 for your dinner. That's 27% higher than the average first date meal. I also let you have a glass of wine that I'm not even going to bring into the equation. You can use all of the hyperbole you want about me not being attractive and being a robot who speaks in monotone, but the truth is that I'm arguably the best person in the world. The simple truth is that I have been producing at a level above average for getting laid on the first date."
- jmatchett383

Well played

Pointless question. We can't have Hartnell at 24. Hell, if you are going to play that game and we're talking LWs, give me Billy Barber or John Leclair at 24.
- BiggE

Simon Gagne would be okay. I'll take Luc Robitaille at 24, personally. Brendan Shanahan would also be acceptable.

you're missing my point. boil it down, hextall does not think of schenn as schenn does, nor does he feel the way he feels about the other core forwards. the fact that they had to negotiate all the way to his arbitration date says it all. he has only been GM for two years but how many contracts has he signed players to? he has now locked up all the core players i am mentioning in his tenure, Coots, G, Jake, Raffl, and Simmer, correct? how many players, that were important to the team like these players, took this long in negotiations? 0.
- sjk540

Holmgren did the G and Simmer deals.

Simon Gagne would be okay. I'll take Luc Robitaille at 24, personally. Brendan Shanahan would also be acceptable.
- jmatchett383

Hell no... I'll take Schenn.

Right, but your example is silly to the extreme. The tweet I mentioned is realistic and fair.
- Scoob

That "fair" deal was the Flyers' low-ball offer. They obviously intended to pay more than that.

Edit: I can't prove this, but the fact that they signed him to the deal they did meant that they valued him much more than their offer showed.

Yeah, even if it had taken him to UFA.

We know how inconsistent Schenn has always been as a player... expecting his production to be consistent from here on out is a bit of a stretch for me.



I suspect he'll be a bit like Hartsy, yo-yo'ing between mediocre seasons and good ones, driving everybody crazy.
- Tomahawk

Is there any merit give to the possibility that it was just a development process and a maturation of the player?

Holmgren did the G and Simmer deals.
- Feanor

true, i was typing feverishly

Yeah, even if it had taken him to UFA.

We know how inconsistent Schenn has always been as a player... expecting his production to be consistent from here on out is a bit of a stretch for me.



I suspect he'll be a bit like Hartsy, yo-yo'ing between mediocre seasons and good ones, driving everybody crazy.
- Tomahawk

That's not just Schenn and Hartnell. That's essentially everyone that scores 50-60 points a year. They're all "inconsistent."

I preferred the deal I saw tweeted about over the weekend.

Year 1: 4.25
Year 2: 4.369
- Scoob

That wasn't a deal, that was the Flyers arbitration position. The arbitrator would have picked a number in between that and the $5.5m Schenn's camp asked for in arbitration, and the Flyers would have been back negotiating with Schenn a year from now and possibly losing him to free agency if they couldn't work out an extension.

Yeah, even if it had taken him to UFA.

We know how inconsistent Schenn has always been as a player... expecting his production to be consistent from here on out is a bit of a stretch for me.
- Tomahawk

If you're not totally happy with Schenn after two years, then surely it make more sense to trade him with two years left at $5.125m than just watch him walk out the door?