Oh, and also:
BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE!!
- BiggE

Please, no politics

So after Manning signs his deal we will have a little a mil in space. I assume manning or benning will be sent to the minors to clear a roster spot. It seems kind of difficult,at thsi point, to pencil in Konecky and provy with limited cap space. Unless Hexy already has deals in place just incase they decide to keep these young kids up. Like moving streit,mcdud, or read at end of training camp.

are you guys ok with Jakes contract?
- all-pgh

Yes. Since Voracek has joined the Flyers, he is the 22nd highest scoring player in the NHL, just behind Corey Perry. Among wingers he is 7th and among right wingers he is third over that same span.

Glad to see schenn signed. He is our power forward.
- tocchettough

No love for Simmer? Pretty sure if we had one power forward, he'd be the one.

Using Stephen Burtch's work, 50 points is average production for a NHL 1st liner. Schenn has had, since becoming a full time NHLer in full seasons 41, 47 & 59 points. During the 2013 lockout season, he scored at a 45 point pace over 47 games(26 points, 0.55 PPG)

So, production wise, he's top six. I have concerns with overall level of play. He's not generally a driver of the line he plays on, regardless of whether it's with Giroux or Simmonds or Couturier. He tends to be somewhat invisible if he isn;t scoring. That's my worry.

If he can repeat the way he played over the last four months of last season-and there's equal reason to think he can and can not-then his deal is a very good one. If he reverts to what he was prior to January 2016, then he's overpaid, but still a productive player
- Jsaquella

Well damn, I had the average point production of a first liner much higher. Maybe too much NHL16.

If it's a fluke, he's not a top 6 producer. 40 points isn't a top 6 to me.

Out of the 180 top 6 forwards in the league, he finished 49th out of 180 in total points. (30 teams x 6 players for the top 2 lines = 180 -- Showing my work)

I will say this, with point totals declining league wide over the last few seasons I may have to readjust what I would consider top 6 points.

So that might be a factor. If he scored 100 points this season my opinion of him wouldn't change unless he changed.

On that note, I'm letting Schenn go now. He's signed and there are much more enjoyable things for all of us to do than argue with my stubborn ass over him.
- MikesPillBottle

To me, if he consistently puts up 25 goals and 55 points it's a good, fair deal. However, if he can continue to play like he did in the 2nd half of last year and put up 30/65, it's a great deal.

Using Stephen Burtch's work, 50 points is average production for a NHL 1st liner. Schenn has had, since becoming a full time NHLer in full seasons 41, 47 & 59 points. During the 2013 lockout season, he scored at a 45 point pace over 47 games(26 points, 0.55 PPG)

So, production wise, he's top six. I have concerns with overall level of play. He's not generally a driver of the line he plays on, regardless of whether it's with Giroux or Simmonds or Couturier. He tends to be somewhat invisible if he isn;t scoring. That's my worry.

If he can repeat the way he played over the last four months of last season-and there's equal reason to think he can and can not-then his deal is a very good one. If he reverts to what he was prior to January 2016, then he's overpaid, but still a productive player
- Jsaquella

Please stop with these measured takes

Please, no politics
- PhillySportsGuy

Not a great deal for the flyers. This should have gone to arb

He's only ever broken 50-pts once in his career, tho.

If he had a couple or more under his belt, I'd have less of a reason to doubt.
- Tomahawk

So would you rather have got the 2 year deal in arbitration at $4,875,000? That was the midpoint of the offers.

Well damn, I had the average point production of a first liner much higher. Maybe too much NHL16.
- MikesPillBottle

Just look at the stats on NHL.com. It was posted in reply to you previously, that Schenn was 49th in the league in total scoring, which includes some defenseman. There are 30 teams in the league. Simple math.

To me, if he consistently puts up 25 goals and 55 points it's a good, fair deal. However, if he can continue to play like he did in the 2nd half of last year and put up 30/65, it's a great deal.
- BiggE

If you had to choose between Hartnell (At age 24) or Schenn who would it be?

He's only ever broken 50-pts once in his career, tho.

If he had a couple or more under his belt, I'd have less of a reason to doubt.
- Tomahawk

He's also entering the prime of his career, and his point totals have increased every season so far.

But no, that would be too positive. A 25 point regression, minimum, is in store.

Just look at the stats on NHL.com. It was posted in reply to you previously, that Schenn was 49th in the league in total scoring, which includes some defenseman. There are 30 teams in the league. Simple math.
- MJL

Go away.

Not luring me into your cave with you.

Just look at the stats on NHL.com. It was posted in reply to you previously, that Schenn was 49th in the league in total scoring, which includes some defenseman. There are 30 teams in the league. Simple math.
- MJL

He doesn't care about stats. He's using the eye test to evaluate, which is always better and more effective.

Go away.

Not luring me into your cave with you.
- MikesPillBottle

Good man.

Not a great deal for the flyers. This should have gone to arb
- Just5

So they could have got a two year deal and saved a whopping $250,000 per year?

He doesn't care about stats. He's using the eye test to evaluate, which is always better and more effective.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hinkie would have traded Schenn for a player to be bought out and a 1st rounder.

He doesn't care about stats. He's using the eye test to evaluate, which is always better and more effective.
- PhillySportsGuy

So stat sheets are all that matter?

Good to know.

If you had to choose between Hartnell (At age 24) or Schenn who would it be?
- MikesPillBottle

Wait a minute. Is this a trick question! Do you have candy? OHHHH thats a nice van you have. Continue.

Seems like a decent deal for both sides.

If you had to choose between Hartnell (At age 24) or Schenn who would it be?
- MikesPillBottle

Hartnell, but it's pretty much a toss-up. Schenn is a better point producer and skater, but Hartnell brings a heavier game and was apparently great for keeping the locker room loose.

So would you rather have got the 2 year deal in arbitration at $4,875,000? That was the midpoint of the offers.
- Feanor

Yeah, even if it had taken him to UFA.

We know how inconsistent Schenn has always been as a player... expecting his production to be consistent from here on out is a bit of a stretch for me.

If you had to choose between Hartnell (At age 24) or Schenn who would it be?
- MikesPillBottle

I suspect he'll be a bit like Hartsy, yo-yo'ing between mediocre seasons and good ones, driving everybody crazy.

Rather have Schenn's contract than Nielsen IMHO!

also, pretty comparable to schwartz'sz' deal.

IMHO!

Hinkie would have traded Schenn for a player to be bought out and a 1st rounder.
- jmatchett383

Yeah...the Canucks first rounder doe