Bob McKenzie tweets $5.125mm AAV for Schenn
- Jsaquella

I am fine with this deal. Good for both sides giving a little bit.

I am fine with this deal. Good for both sides giving a little bit.
- MBFlyerfan

It's a bit more than I'm happy with, but it's not awful. I was hoping it'd be $5mm or less. $125K more isn't a killer.

Ok so after this season, we'll have Streit and Shultz off the books, MDZ a UFA, Ghost - Laughton - Cousins as RFA's, PEB - Gordon - Vand - Mason - Neuvy as UFA's, Lyubimov RFA, Lyon RFA.

I'm thinking we might be in a little bit of trouble without moving some contract outs.

Luckily for us, Konecny - Provorov - Sanheim each have their entire 3 year EL deals left including this season.
Morin and Hagg with 2 years left each.

Should be fun to see how everything plays out. Hopefully they are fun to watch this year, cause in the end that's all that really matters.

4 years 5.15 mil is a very good deal for both sides. Now, Schenn has to continue to be the player he was last year, especially from December on.

Glad to see schenn signed. He is our power forward.

It's a bit more than I'm happy with, but it's not awful. I was hoping it'd be $5mm or less. $125K more isn't a killer.
- Jsaquella

My thoughts exactly. Im not going to lose sleep when it was close enough to what I guessed.


If Schenn keeps giving us 25 goals and 55-65 points its a good deal. I have no reason to think that wont continue.

Not a bad deal. Be a complete steal if Schenn keeps improving.

Ok so after this season, we'll have Streit and Shultz off the books, MDZ a UFA, Ghost - Laughton - Cousins as RFA's, PEB - Gordon - Vand - Mason - Neuvy as UFA's, Lyubimov RFA, Lyon RFA.

I'm thinking we might be in a little bit of trouble without moving some contract outs.

Luckily for us, Konecny - Provorov - Sanheim each have their entire 3 year EL deals left including this season.
Morin and Hagg with 2 years left each.

Should be fun to see how everything plays out. Hopefully they are fun to watch this year, cause in the end that's all that really matters.
- MikesPillBottle

Well we have one really bad contract in mcdud and another not so good contract with read. Moving either or shouldnt really be difficult. Mcdud is a good 4/5/6 dman. I think with the salary handed out to those types are in the 3 mil range. So retain maybe 1.5-2.0 and he gets moved freeing up spot and salary. Read I think is movable with retaining only a small amount, maybe 1 mil or so. Just my thoughts though

Bob McKenzie tweets $5.125mm AAV for Schenn
- Jsaquella

too much

Great!!! now hes going in a package for big buff.
- jmdodgeser4

It was gonna be Schenn + Sanheim for buff, but then we already traded Sanheim for Yakupov so it fell thru.

Then he's a slightly overpaid guy who still provides top 6 level production
- Jsaquella

If it's a fluke, he's not a top 6 producer. 40 points isn't a top 6 to me.

Out of the 180 top 6 forwards in the league, he finished 49th out of 180 in total points. (30 teams x 6 players for the top 2 lines = 180 -- Showing my work)

I will say this, with point totals declining league wide over the last few seasons I may have to readjust what I would consider top 6 points.

So that might be a factor. If he scored 100 points this season my opinion of him wouldn't change unless he changed.

On that note, I'm letting Schenn go now. He's signed and there are much more enjoyable things for all of us to do than argue with my stubborn ass over him.

Ok so after this season, we'll have Streit and Shultz off the books, MDZ a UFA, Ghost - Laughton - Cousins as RFA's, PEB - Gordon - Vand - Mason - Neuvy as UFA's, Lyubimov RFA, Lyon RFA.

I'm thinking we might be in a little bit of trouble without moving some contract outs.

Luckily for us, Konecny - Provorov - Sanheim each have their entire 3 year EL deals left including this season.
Morin and Hagg with 2 years left each.

Should be fun to see how everything plays out. Hopefully they are fun to watch this year, cause in the end that's all that really matters.
- MikesPillBottle

I don't see this as a problem. Their cap situation is fine.

Glad to see schenn signed. He is our power forward.
- tocchettough

I don't see this as a problem. Their cap situation is fine.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's never fine!

It was gonna be Schenn + Sanheim for buff, but then we already traded Sanheim for Yakupov so it fell thru.
- Feanor

Ahhh yes. So what number is Yak going to wear for us. Man we really ripped the oil off in that move. Whats yak, a consistant 50 goal scorer in this league,right?

If Schenn keeps giving us 25 goals and 55-65 points its a good deal. I have no reason to think that wont continue.
- MBFlyerfan

He's only ever broken 50-pts once in his career, tho.

If he had a couple or more under his belt, I'd have less of a reason to doubt.

He's only ever broken 50-pts once in his career, tho.

If he had a couple or more under his belt, I'd have less of a reason to doubt.
- Tomahawk

Yeah but he did it when it counted. At the end of his contract.

Solid fair deal for both sides. Good job Hexy.

the very point that they have been negotiating now for awhile goes to show you just how Hextall feels. Yes all negotiations are two sides, but its the flyers side giving the money. if schenn asked for 6 million and didnt back down, it would be hextall saying no and signing whatever deal the arbitor laid out. hextall is the one who ultimately says yes or no on giving out money. of course, schenn can turn down a deal, but in the end, if he does sign, the erm and money that are agreed upon come from hextall. again, schenn can counter, but hextall would then have to agree to that.

you dont think that the way he handled every other core players contract negotiations that he certainly feels different about schenn? im glad he is signed, i think its a slight overpay, i was looking for 4.75, but at the end of the day 400k wont make or break anything in the future.
- sjk540

There is a market value for every player. Some negotiations, are easy, and some aren't. Some are short, and some are long. You've ignored that Hextall has said all along, that he wants to sign Schenn to a long term deal, and he just did. What does that tell you about how Hextall feels about Schenn? The goal of every GM, is to sign the player, to the cheapest, fair deal he can. A GM does not want a disgruntled player that is unhappy with his contract. Nor does a GM want to be bent over and have a player overpaid, hurting the cap situation.

Oh, and also:
BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE!!

Yeah but he did it when it counted. At the end of his contract.
- MikesPillBottle

lol

So much for playing hardball.

If it's a fluke, he's not a top 6 producer. 40 points isn't a top 6 to me.

Out of the 180 top 6 forwards in the league, he finished 49th out of 180 in total points. (30 teams x 6 players for the top 2 lines = 180 -- Showing my work)

I will say this, with point totals declining league wide over the last few seasons I may have to readjust what I would consider top 6 points.

So that might be a factor. If he scored 100 points this season my opinion of him wouldn't change unless he changed.

On that note, I'm letting Schenn go now. He's signed and there are much more enjoyable things for all of us to do than argue with my stubborn ass over him.
- MikesPillBottle

I can't figure out if this is an argument for or against Schenn

Well we have one really bad contract in mcdud and another not so good contract with read. Moving either or shouldnt really be difficult. Mcdud is a good 4/5/6 dman. I think with the salary handed out to those types are in the 3 mil range. So retain maybe 1.5-2.0 and he gets moved freeing up spot and salary. Read I think is movable with retaining only a small amount, maybe 1 mil or so. Just my thoughts though
- jmdodgeser4

are you guys ok with Jakes contract?

If it's a fluke, he's not a top 6 producer. 40 points isn't a top 6 to me.

Out of the 180 top 6 forwards in the league, he finished 49th out of 180 in total points. (30 teams x 6 players for the top 2 lines = 180 -- Showing my work)

I will say this, with point totals declining league wide over the last few seasons I may have to readjust what I would consider top 6 points.

So that might be a factor. If he scored 100 points this season my opinion of him wouldn't change unless he changed.

On that note, I'm letting Schenn go now. He's signed and there are much more enjoyable things for all of us to do than argue with my stubborn ass over him.
- MikesPillBottle

Using Stephen Burtch's work, 50 points is average production for a NHL 1st liner. Schenn has had, since becoming a full time NHLer in full seasons 41, 47 & 59 points. During the 2013 lockout season, he scored at a 45 point pace over 47 games(26 points, 0.55 PPG)

So, production wise, he's top six. I have concerns with overall level of play. He's not generally a driver of the line he plays on, regardless of whether it's with Giroux or Simmonds or Couturier. He tends to be somewhat invisible if he isn;t scoring. That's my worry.

If he can repeat the way he played over the last four months of last season-and there's equal reason to think he can and can not-then his deal is a very good one. If he reverts to what he was prior to January 2016, then he's overpaid, but still a productive player