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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 10:04 AM ET
Chris Johnston says Flyers & Schenn agree to 4 year deal


EDIT: And Flyers tweet it. Schenn re-signed, 4 years no word on money yet
all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 10:06 AM ET
if hextall viewed him as the 3rd best forward on the team he would be locked up by now. G Jake Simmer and Coots are all more valuable and bring more to the team overall than Schenn does. Im not saying Schenn isnt a good player or an asset or not valuable to this team, but asking for 5.5 million per when he really has only shown he deserves that much for 3 and a half months of one season, pretty ridiculous. Hexy coming in at a smidge under 4.5 is right where i would value him as well.
- sjk540
I personally don't view Jake as being more valuable than Schenn at least not at the amount of $$$ that's being paid to him.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
Chris Johnston says Flyers & Schenn agree to 4 year deal


EDIT: And Flyers tweet it. Schenn re-signed, 4 years no word on money yet

- Jsaquella

I'm sensing a sign and trade
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
Chris Johnston says Flyers & Schenn agree to 4 year deal


EDIT: And Flyers tweet it. Schenn re-signed, 4 years no word on money yet

- Jsaquella


If its anywhere between 4.75 and 5.25 per I'll be content
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
If its anywhere between 4.75 and 5.25 per I'll be content
- bulet13

5.125 is my guess
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
Bob McKenzie tweets $5.125mm AAV for Schenn
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
A deal not being agreed upon is a direct indication of how Hextall feels, how is it not? He is the GM, he gives out the contracts in the end, he is the be all end all of contract negotiations. if hextall felt the same way schenn feels about himself a deal would be done, no? The fact that Hexy gave contract extensions with a year remaining on deals to G, Jake, Simmer, Coots and also re-signed core guys well before arbitration like raffl, MDZ, Schultz, etc, shows exactly how he feels about the player.

I understand what Bill outlined, i understand how arbitration works. this has nothing to do with that, it has to do with how we arrived here, and numerous other variables that have relation to why we are this situation.

- sjk540


A negotiation is not one sided. There is a player and an agent onvolved. Hextall has stated that he wants to sign Schenn to a long term deal. Contracts are not given out, they're negotiated. Hextall has been negotiating with Schenn for a while ow including during the past season. If what you state was true, and Hextall was the be all and end all, the Flyers would have a lot more cap space.
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jul 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
If its anywhere between 4.75 and 5.25 per I'll be content
- bulet13


At 4 years it might be more.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
4 years is a good length.

$5m was what I was hoping for, but an extra $125,000 per year shouldn't break the bank.
WheelSnipeCelly
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.14.2016

Jul 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
Bob McKenzie tweets $5.125mm AAV for Schenn
- Jsaquella


Yup that's what I see too. Was hoping Hexy would be able to keep him in the $4.5-4.75m range, but I can live with this deal.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
4 years is a good length.

$5m was what I was hoping for, but an extra $125,000 per year shouldn't break the bank.

- Feanor


More than I like, but it's a modest overpay.

Also, if the last 4 months of last season are the start of a trend and not just a fluke, it's a good deal for the Flyers
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
Does the arbitrator still get paid in full?

If so, it seems like a great gig.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
5.125 is my guess
- aightwebang17


Calm down Nostradamus
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
Bob McKenzie tweets $5.125mm AAV for Schenn
- Jsaquella

Excellent
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
4 years at $20.5M. Roughly $5.125/year.
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jul 25 @ 10:14 AM ET
Well at least we can move on to the next segment of this hockey season.

The "he can't live up to that cap hit" part.

MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jul 25 @ 10:15 AM ET
More than I like, but it's a modest overpay.

Also, if the last 4 months of last season are the start of a trend and not just a fluke, it's a good deal for the Flyers

- Jsaquella


And if it was a fluke?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:15 AM ET
5.125 is my guess
- aightwebang17


Good work webang
all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 10:15 AM ET
Calm down Nostradamus
- bulet13

isn't it Nostradumass
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
I'm just glad it's over.

The Manning negotiation has been stressing me out too.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
Yup that's what I see too. Was hoping Hexy would be able to keep him in the $4.5-4.75m range, but I can live with this deal.
- WheelSnipeCelly


Seems like the choice for Hexy was 2 years at ~$4.75m in arbitration, or 4 years at $5.125m.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
Great!!! now hes going in a package for big buff.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
A negotiation is not one sided. There is a player and an agent onvolved. Hextall has stated that he wants to sign Schenn to a long term deal. Contracts are not given out, they're negotiated. Hextall has been negotiating with Schenn for a while ow including during the past season. If what you state was true, and Hextall was the be all and end all, the Flyers would have a lot more cap space.
- MJL


the very point that they have been negotiating now for awhile goes to show you just how Hextall feels. Yes all negotiations are two sides, but its the flyers side giving the money. if schenn asked for 6 million and didnt back down, it would be hextall saying no and signing whatever deal the arbitor laid out. hextall is the one who ultimately says yes or no on giving out money. of course, schenn can turn down a deal, but in the end, if he does sign, the erm and money that are agreed upon come from hextall. again, schenn can counter, but hextall would then have to agree to that.

you dont think that the way he handled every other core players contract negotiations that he certainly feels different about schenn? im glad he is signed, i think its a slight overpay, i was looking for 4.75, but at the end of the day 400k wont make or break anything in the future.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
And if it was a fluke?
- MikesPillBottle


Then we have another pre-injury Joffrey Lupul. It's not exactly like paying the money to Dan Cleary or Dave Bolland.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
And if it was a fluke?
- MikesPillBottle


Then he's a slightly overpaid guy who still provides top 6 level production
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