@generalfanager

We have confirmed David Rundblad NOT bought out by #Blackhawks. Sides mutually terminated contract. Rundblad thus $0 on Hawks cap this year.
- DarthKane

Great news!

@generalfanager

We have confirmed David Rundblad NOT bought out by #Blackhawks. Sides mutually terminated contract. Rundblad thus $0 on Hawks cap this year.
- DarthKane

Could the cap hit he had be used for Fleischmann?

Why not try McNeil or Bau . At 4th line LW move desjardin to 3 line C. And try Kruger at LW
- southernhawk

Skeptical about McNeill after hearing reports that some in the Blackhawks org do not think he's ready.

"@TheChiChronicle Jul 24

The #Blackhawks for the most part don't believe Mark McNeill is ready for the NHL. Rumored the #Oilers are interested. (Per @ByScottPowers)."


Find it weird to think that considering they've only given him a shot with 1 NHL game.

Wouldn't be shocked if he's moved though.

There's a Hartman puff piece on the Hawks site that looks like they're preparing people to embrace him as a potential Shaw replacement.

Could the cap hit he had be used for Fleischmann?
- powerenforcer

Rundblad's cap hit was only $100k because he was buried, so termination doesn't save the Hawks much.

Fleischmann hasn't been a Top 6 LW since 2011. Hard Pass, IMO.

Skeptical about McNeill after hearing reports that some in the Blackhawks org do not think he's ready.

"@TheChiChronicle Jul 24

The #Blackhawks for the most part don't believe Mark McNeill is ready for the NHL. Rumored the #Oilers are interested. (Per @ByScottPowers)."


Find it weird to think that considering they've only given him a shot with 1 NHL game.

Wouldn't be shocked if he's moved though.

There's a Hartman puff piece on the Hawks site that looks like they're preparing people to embrace him as a potential Shaw replacement.
- TyCamScore

At this point I don't see any of the Rockford candidates and/or other rookies separating themselves from the pack. The prospects that stands out the most will have a big opportunties this yet (takes off captain obvious hat). I'm not trying to worry too much about which prospect makes it or not. We just need 1-2 young guys to step up, whomever they may be.

Fleischmann hasn't been a Top 6 LW since 2011. Hard Pass, IMO.
- EnzoD

He falls into the category of other guys like Holland we talked about. Is it really worth using a roster spot on Fleischmann rather than giving a rookie a shot to develop? I don't think so. I have no issue inviting Fleischmann to training camp on a PTO. But that's as far as I'd go.

He falls into the category of other guys like Holland we talked about. Is it really worth using a roster spot on Fleischmann rather than giving a rookie a shot to develop? I don't think so. I have no issue inviting Fleischmann to training camp on a PTO. But that's as far as I'd go.
- DarthKane

I'm in that camp, too: invite Fleischmann (and other vets looking for jobs) to camp and see what plays out. If he outshines the Icehog hopefuls, then great. My hope, though, is for a prospect or two to seize the opportunities to take open roster spots on the big club this September. Earn your way onto the roster. This includes Vesey if we are lucky to sign him. If he wants a spot gift-wrapped for him, then stay out East.

Skeptical about McNeill after hearing reports that some in the Blackhawks org do not think he's ready.

"@TheChiChronicle Jul 24

The #Blackhawks for the most part don't believe Mark McNeill is ready for the NHL. Rumored the #Oilers are interested. (Per @ByScottPowers)."


Find it weird to think that considering they've only given him a shot with 1 NHL game.

Wouldn't be shocked if he's moved though.

There's a Hartman puff piece on the Hawks site that looks like they're preparing people to embrace him as a potential Shaw replacement.
- TyCamScore

Nothing against you Ty, but I continue to scratch my head with why Hawks management continue to see McNeill is still too raw to play in the NHL. McNeill doesn't seem to have any major deficiencies. What exactly is holding him back? Won't he grow more getting NHL ice time (even as a platoon player) rather than play another year in the AHL?

Fluto Shinzawa is saying any possible signing of Jimmy Vesey is tied to him getting a base salary of $925K wherever he signs, but could also have up to $2.85 million in bonuses.

If my math skills are still working the team that signs him needs $ 3.1 million available...
don't the Blackhawks have $2,398,206 ?
The question becomes if those bonus are reached, can they be carreid over an dpayed in a later season?

McNeill doesn't seem to have any major deficiencies. What exactly is holding him back? Won't he grow more getting NHL ice time (even as a platoon player) rather than play another year in the AHL?
- AEL_Fox

Well, he is not a ballerina-type but a North-South skater with nice balance, agility, speed, and skating stride.It might be foot speed in that he isn't that extra gear guy, but I'd like to see him here for a nice look too.

I just wanted to say, the Winnipeg banter makes sense in terms of whether they have too many youngsters and they want to send one already evated last year back.

Not that they can't do it as much as those sort of situations sometimes cause tarde demands.

I been up since 3:30 Chicago time so I am a bit too tired to go over the Jets and any possible younger subtractions that might fall the Hawks way for TvR.


I am guess with their first rounder in the draft they have 13 players that fill the roster. If Kyle Conner turns pro it goes up to 14, and I am sure they weren't gonna rush him in the NHL if he was turning pro.
The thing about it is they are not sending the guy who makes the roster, they are sending they guy who is unhappy with the shake.

So I am not sure you even get a slew footed Lowery,or even Marko Dano back (gulp).

He falls into the category of other guys like Holland we talked about. Is it really worth using a roster spot on Fleischmann rather than giving a rookie a shot to develop? I don't think so. I have no issue inviting Fleischmann to training camp on a PTO. But that's as far as I'd go.
- DarthKane

Agree, just don't get the Fleischman thing.

Even if he has a great camp, he'll be bum material by game 25.

Fluto Shinzawa is saying any possible signing of Jimmy Vesey is tied to him getting a base salary of $925K wherever he signs, but could also have up to $2.85 million in bonuses.

If my math skills are still working the team that signs him needs $ 3.1 million available...
don't the Blackhawks have $2,398,206 ?
The question becomes if those bonus are reached, can they be carreid over an dpayed in a later season?
- wiz1901

I think only the guaranteed salary - $925,000 - counts against this year's cap.

If the bonuses are earned, they would count against this year's cap if space exists this year - otherwise they would count as overage against next year's cap.

Like Panarin's.

I think only the guaranteed salary - $925,000 - counts against this year's cap.

If the bonuses are earned, they would count against this year's cap if space exists this year - otherwise they would count as overage against next year's cap.

Like Panarin's.
- StLBravesFan

And the Hawks have shown they will put you in a position to earn your bonus, so I have to imagine playing next to Toews only helps our chances

I'm of the belief that you can never have too many centers.
Toews-Anisimov-Kruger/Lowry-Rasmussen would be a great down the middle. He would check some boxes for the bottom 6, but is it a possibility that we already have too many bottom 6 guys to fill the roster from Rockford? Just gotta find that elusive winger for Toews, whomever that may be. Hoping they can sign Vesey in August.
- 93Joe

Don't forget Lunberg is listed as a center as well but the game I watched on You Tube he played RW.

Yes, I agree give the Rockford kids a look. Stand pat into the preseason and see what you have and then if need be make a move unless some real value falls into your lap before then.

As far as a 1LW on opening night I don't think there will be a name that management or a fan will say, yep that's the guy. Same as last year shuttling guys in and out looking for a fit. Hard cap world but I still think Panik gets first crack.

@generalfanager

We have confirmed David Rundblad NOT bought out by #Blackhawks. Sides mutually terminated contract. Rundblad thus $0 on Hawks cap this year.
- DarthKane

Well that's $100k of good news.

I just wanted to say, the Winnipeg banter makes sense in terms of whether they have too many youngsters and they want to send one already evated last year back.

Not that they can't do it as much as those sort of situations sometimes cause tarde demands.

I been up since 3:30 Chicago time so I am a bit too tired to go over the Jets and any possible younger subtractions that might fall the Hawks way for TvR.


I am guess with their first rounder in the draft they have 13 players that fill the roster. If Kyle Conner turns pro it goes up to 14, and I am sure they weren't gonna rush him in the NHL if he was turning pro.
The thing about it is they are not sending the guy who makes the roster, they are sending they guy who is unhappy with the shake.

So I am not sure you even get a slew footed Lowery,or even Marko Dano back (gulp).
- wiz1901

The way some see it contrary to you it seems is WPG has perceived depth at forward and shortage at defense. The Hawks have a shortage of forwards and perceived depth at defense. As with any club looking to make a move to fill a hole they deal from strength and are not looking for another clubs 15th forward to do so. And if you realistically wanna fill a hole on defense (WPG) you're not gonna do so offering a 15th forward.

On paper WPG and CHI are a fit for a trade.

Fluto Shinzawa is saying any possible signing of Jimmy Vesey is tied to him getting a base salary of $925K wherever he signs, but could also have up to $2.85 million in bonuses.

If my math skills are still working the team that signs him needs $ 3.1 million available...
don't the Blackhawks have $2,398,206 ?
The question becomes if those bonus are reached, can they be carreid over an dpayed in a later season?
- wiz1901

Wiz, I suggest Panarin is the example here. He had nearly identical contract. Hawks were at the cap w no room for the bonus when they signed him. When he earned the bonus in 2015/16, they had a small amount under the cap, which went to cover his earned bonus. The rest rolled over into 2016/17 season.

Without using the exact numbers, the hawks were something like $200k under the cap at the end of this most recent year. Rozy and Panarin (and I think a 3rd player I can't recall) earned bonuses totaling $2.5m. That $2.5m went first to 2015/16 season to eat up the rest of the cap space. Then the remaining $2.3m rolled over into this year. (Again, I'm just making up the numbers here for explanation purposes, but I'm in the ballpark. No need for anyone to correct my numbers to exact).

http://hfboards.hockeysfu...read.php?t=1823945&page=3

here are some comments in regard to Forsling. People seem pretty high on him.

Well, he is not a ballerina-type but a North-South skater with nice balance, agility, speed, and skating stride.It might be foot speed in that he isn't that extra gear guy, but I'd like to see him here for a nice look too.
- wiz1901

I'm in the minority, but I honestly am not sold on McNeill at the NHL level. As a rookie, what will he "do"? Who's game will he replicate? He's not really projected to be a C, so not a Freddy. Is he a nasty physical force a la Shaw/Hartman? No. Will he be an aggressive, forechecking grinder a la Desjardin? I didn't see much of that when I saw him over 6-8 games last winter.

So what is he? To me, he's a guy with a pretty solid toolkit but isn't ready-made for any NHL role with the Hawks. I would see if you could move him for something that fits better. Probably not as a one-off deal, maybe as a side bet if they package TvR.

@generalfanager

We have confirmed David Rundblad NOT bought out by #Blackhawks. Sides mutually terminated contract. Rundblad thus $0 on Hawks cap this year.
- DarthKane

Wiz, I suggest Panarin is the example here. He had nearly identical contract. Hawks were at the cap w no room for the bonus when they signed him. When he earned the bonus in 2015/16, they had a small amount under the cap, which went to cover his earned bonus. The rest rolled over into 2016/17 season.

Without using the exact numbers, the hawks were something like $200k under the cap at the end of this most recent year. Rozy and Panarin (and I think a 3rd player I can't recall) earned bonuses totaling $2.5m. That $2.5m went first to 2015/16 season to eat up the rest of the cap space. Then the remaining $2.3m rolled over into this year. (Again, I'm just making up the numbers here for explanation purposes, but I'm in the ballpark. No need for anyone to correct my numbers to exact).
- Cmonalready

You are correct in that is how Vessey's contract would work. However a team can only go over, on bonus overages, by 7.5% of the upper limit cap. So If Vessey, Panarin, Campbell, and another young guy hit part or all of their bonuses the Hawks could get in trouble (if they go over the cap by 5.475 million) based on bonus overages they break the rule for this upcoming season (not sure what the punishment would be).

This is probably anothe reason the Hawks aren't signing anyone, as of now, and are keeping the cap space as a cussion.

I'm in the minority, but I honestly am not sold on McNeill at the NHL level. As a rookie, what will he "do"? Who's game will he replicate? He's not really projected to be a C, so not a Freddy. Is he a nasty physical force a la Shaw/Hartman? No. Will he be an aggressive, forechecking grinder a la Desjardin? I didn't see much of that when I saw him over 6-8 games last winter.

So what is he? To me, he's a guy with a pretty solid toolkit but isn't ready-made for any NHL role with the Hawks. I would see if you could move him for something that fits better. Probably not as a one-off deal, maybe as a side bet if they package TvR.
- phantasmo

I can hang my hat on your argument that McNeill is not ready yet because the Hawks don't have a specific role where his style and type of game would fit as opposed to that he isn't ready for the NHL (i.e. still needs development, makes lots of mistakes, doesn't think the game fast enough, takes dumb penalties, etc). I feel that McNeill is ready to play in the NHL, but maybe it's just not with the Hawks. And if this is the case, then I can see why McNeill is trade bait to get a prospect who can fill a hole.

I can hang my hat on your argument that McNeill is not ready yet because the Hawks don't have a specific role where his style and type of game would fit as opposed to that he isn't ready for the NHL (i.e. still needs development, makes lots of mistakes, doesn't think the game fast enough, takes dumb penalties, etc). I feel that McNeill is ready to play in the NHL, but maybe it's just not with the Hawks. And if this is the case, then I can see why McNeill is trade bait to get a prospect who can fill a hole.
- AEL_Fox

If Edmonton wants him I wonder if Stan can get Slepyshev in return. Big and fast LW