If the Hawks trade CC they will get Darling signed for 2-3mil a year and a backup will be around the same or less. So they will save a couple of million which can sign the Breadman.
- Sn1362

Dreaming.

Darling will be a UFA and some team will offer more. Meanwhile, all of the other teams protect for expansion, in theory, the best 30 starters in the NHL, giving Darling more leverage, leaving only the goalies ranked 31 and below available to choose from should Darling chase the money offered elsewhere.

And, Campbell will be gone, leaving another hole to fill on D.

After Panarin hits bonuses again, that alone will likely eat up any cap bump for expansion season, with the only real cap savings coming when Scuderi's money comes off of the payroll.

Dreaming.

Darling will be a UFA and some team will offer more. Meanwhile, all of the other teams protect for expansion, in theory, the best 30 starters in the NHL, giving Darling more leverage, leaving only the goalies ranked 31 and below available to choose from should Darling chase the money offered elsewhere.

And, Campbell will be gone, leaving another hole to fill on D.

After Panarin hits bonuses again, that alone will likely eat up any cap bump for expansion season, with the only real cap savings coming when Scuderi's money comes off of the payroll.
- Return of the Roar

Unless Campbell wants to stay and play another year, he is older but not by any extreme degree, so time will tell what he wants to do. Also, Panarin isn't a lock to get all his bonuses. Schedule A he probably gets some or all, but schedule B he could easily miss those bonuses. Also, we don't know what in-season moves the Hawks will make or further trades. The cap situation for next year is murky at best.

Dreaming.

Darling will be a UFA and some team will offer more. Meanwhile, all of the other teams protect for expansion, in theory, the best 30 starters in the NHL, giving Darling more leverage, leaving only the goalies ranked 31 and below available to choose from should Darling chase the money offered elsewhere.

And, Campbell will be gone, leaving another hole to fill on D.

After Panarin hits bonuses again, that alone will likely eat up any cap bump for expansion season, with the only real cap savings coming when Scuderi's money comes off of the payroll.
- Return of the Roar

Not exactly, as there is a $3.1m bonus carry-over hitting our cap this year. So basically, there is a $3.1m slug of cap hit that will come off the books, and then likely be used up for a new bonus for Panarin (and Campbell). But that leaves the slug of any true cap increase available to pay Panarin raise, Darling raise, etc.

Not exactly, as there is a $3.1m bonus carry-over hitting our cap this year. So basically, there is a $3.1m slug of cap hit that will come off the books, and then likely be used up for a new bonus for Panarin (and Campbell). But that leaves the slug of any true cap increase available to pay Panarin raise, Darling raise, etc.
- Cmonalready

Don't forget Vesey's bonus money.

Don't forget Vesey's bonus money.
- EbonyRaptor

My take, IF VESEY SIGNS WITH CHICAGO, either he OR Breadman make bonuses, not both.

The thing I keep wondering about is, the new goalie regulations going to help scoring in the NHL?

One can say if this is the case by getting Campbell and Kempny it made us much tougher to play against?

I don't know and I imagine this will also give more support to advanced metrics and winning.

My take, IF VESEY SIGNS WITH CHICAGO, either he OR Breadman make bonuses, not both.
- powerenforcer

And let's be honest...the B bonuses are not easy to earn.

Arrgh. This just made me recall when Breadman had huge points in the last week of the season (I think he had two 4 point games in a row, I was in attendance for one of them). 13 points in his last 5 games. I posted on this board that "these two games just cost us Shaw". I meant it as costing them the equivalent of Shaw. But boy, that was right on. Sadly. Very sadly. I'm gonna hate to see this season start with Shawzer playing for the Canadiens.

Just sitting at work thinking how good are D could be. I am really down on our forward depth but the D......

If Kempny comes in hits his potential and is 4/5 guy. Campbell can be your 4 and TVR is a 4/5 type guy. That D is stacked. You have a bottom pairing that could be better than a lot of teams 2nd pairing.

This is the longest summer everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
(Not a climate comment)

COME ON OCTOBER

This is the longest summer everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
(Not a climate comment)

COME ON OCTOBER
- hocktock

Dreaming.

Darling will be a UFA and some team will offer more. Meanwhile, all of the other teams protect for expansion, in theory, the best 30 starters in the NHL, giving Darling more leverage, leaving only the goalies ranked 31 and below available to choose from should Darling chase the money offered elsewhere.

And, Campbell will be gone, leaving another hole to fill on D.

After Panarin hits bonuses again, that alone will likely eat up any cap bump for expansion season, with the only real cap savings coming when Scuderi's money comes off of the payroll.
- Return of the Roar

Darling really does not have the resume to get more than 2-3 million a year. I say 3 years at 9-10 million or 4 at 12mill.

Darling really does not have the resume to get more than 2-3 million a year. I say 3 years at 9-10 million or 4 at 12mill.
- Sn1362

$3MM per year for a career back-up who - after next season - will still have only 70 games or less of NHL experience?

In a non-cap-growing economy?

Just sitting at work thinking how good are D could be. I am really down on our forward depth but the D......

If Kempny comes in hits his potential and is 4/5 guy. Campbell can be your 4 and TVR is a 4/5 type guy. That D is stacked. You have a bottom pairing that could be better than a lot of teams 2nd pairing.
- bhawks2241

The nice thing is that the D, if playing to it's potential can make the forward's lives easier. More offense from the back end, easier breakouts, and hopefully a bit better time getting into the offensive zone with control of the puck.

I'm talking about 2013 for kruger when he did a 2 year 2.7 total and 2014 when Shaw did a 2 year 4 mil total contract. would they have done a 5-6 year deal and for what amount?
- kmw4631

and i am talking about EVER

Wiz, with all due respect, while I DO believe in climate change, I don't believe that anyone who disagrees shouldn't be spending time here. That's a pretty intolerant view, IMHO.

Let's stick to hockey and maybe the White Sox ....
- Hank_Greenberg

I don't follow non reality based spots like White sox.

In your opinon, my view is intolenent but the the other is plain ignorant.

Done - case file closed

Just sitting at work thinking how good are D could be. I am really down on our forward depth but the D......

If Kempny comes in hits his potential and is 4/5 guy. Campbell can be your 4 and TVR is a 4/5 type guy. That D is stacked. You have a bottom pairing that could be better than a lot of teams 2nd pairing.
- bhawks2241

Totally agree about the stabilizing impact of Campbell and Kempny to strengthen our blueline overall. If the Stars, Blues, and Penguins can win games and go deep into the playoffs with the d-corps they had last year, this bodes well for the Hawks heading into the upcoming season especially with Crawford still being the final line of defense.

Crawford was strong with last year's lack of defensemen depth, so again this bodes well for him with Campbell and Kempny reinforcing what we have in our big 3 + van Riemsdyk and Roszival.

How about these politics:

NOW Joel Queneville has gone to the Foxboro arena to watch some unsigned Aug. 15th UFA...

no joke.

I guess they want him to decide if he is buying in?

It doesn't seem like RIGHT NOW this would be what Q would be doing with the rest of his time off, unless it was job related.

Unless Campbell wants to stay and play another year, he is older but not by any extreme degree, so time will tell what he wants to do. Also, Panarin isn't a lock to get all his bonuses. Schedule A he probably gets some or all, but schedule B he could easily miss those bonuses. Also, we don't know what in-season moves the Hawks will make or further trades. The cap situation for next year is murky at best.
- breadbag

If Campbell is at the point of his career playing on 1-year contracts and assuming his wife continues to find Chicago to be home for their family, I could see Campbell re-signing again on a cap-friendly deal. I do agree with what someone else said that although his play will regress over the next few years, the drop-off from year to year won't be astronomical. Once his play does digress too much for him to keep up and contribute without being a liability, the Hawks simply don't offer to re-sign him. I just don't see that steep decrease in talent being next year for him. My guess is he's got 2-3 more years before calling it quits.

How about these politics:

NOW Joel Queneville has gone to the Foxboro arena to watch some unsigned Aug. 15th UFA...

no joke.

I guess they want himnto decide if he is buying in?

It doesn't seem like RIGHT NOW this would be what Q would be doing with the rest of his time off, unless it was job related.
- wiz1901

I think it's a good idea for Q to see free agents and prospects first-hand so he can see if Vesey (or whoever) is the whole package who can play within his system. I know many view signing Vesey as a best-case scenario, but a worst-case scenario if Vesey is signed is that Q doesn't play him because of a deficiency or inability to consistently play in all 3 zones.

How about these politics:

NOW Joel Queneville has gone to the Foxboro arena to watch some unsigned Aug. 15th UFA...

no joke.

I guess they want himnto decide if he is buying in?

It doesn't seem like RIGHT NOW this would be what Q would be doing with the rest of his time off, unless it was job related.
- wiz1901

I love how you just cut through the crap or fantasies. Tip of the cap to you sir

I don't follow non reality based spots like White sox.

In your opinon, my view is intolenent but the the other is plain ignorant.

Done - case file closed
- wiz1901

I'm not sure who you're calling ignorant but it certainly isn't me. I know a whole lot about a lot of topics but I don't bring anything to this website that isn't appropriate and I simply expressed my hope that others would do the same.

$3MM per year for a career back-up who - after next season - will still have only 70 games or less of NHL experience?

In a non-cap-growing economy?
- StLBravesFan

If the cap sees minimal growth next season I can't see Darling getting much more than $1 million. Two teams will lose goalies to expansion, but it's unlikekly to be their #1. There aren't too may teams looking for a new starter.

I think it's a good idea for Q to see free agents and prospects first-hand so he can see if Vesey (or whoever) is the whole package who can play within his system. I know many view signing Vesey as a best-case scenario, but a worst-case scenario if Vesey is signed is that Q doesn't play him because of a deficiency or inability to consistently play in all 3 zones.
- AEL_Fox

I think Q going to watch Vesey makes sense because when it's time to present their offer to Vesey - especially if it includes playing on Toews' line - they will be able to say Qs on board (assuming he is) and it will carry some weight because Q has actually watched him play. Given what JJ and others have alluded to about rifts between Q and Stan I think it's a v good thing that they are (apparently) coordinating on this one.

I'm not sure who you're calling ignorant but it certainly isn't me. I know a whole lot about a lot of topics but I don't bring anything to this website that isn't appropriate and I simply expressed my hope that others would do the same.
- EbonyRaptor

Yea, don't get me started. Wiz, I always thought of you as a noun but your acting like a verb.

HOOKED ON PHONICS

I'm not sure who you're calling ignorant but it certainly isn't me.
- EbonyRaptor

ok...lets try and put this to rest,ok?
HERE is what Braves wrote

Gary Bettman continues to show that ostrich mentality that afflicted leaders of the tobacco industry and climate change deniers - there's no link between blows to the head and CTE.
It's not reality - it's just media hype.
http://www.nytimes.com/20...link.html?ref=sports&_r=0
- StLBravesFan
- StLBravesFan

He WAS NOT ON a POLITICAL tirade, he was making a comparison about a VERY HOCKEY SITUATION, and simply used two common real life situations.

I truly don't believe he was TRYING to start a political discussion.
and was I ? It musta looked like it!
I don't think there are many here who want to get in a political discussion HERE...we want hockey hockey and hockey...my wife says to me, "Hockey is your first love." (She don't hear me see me in rabid discussions about reality based topica of tobacco using is Bad or global warming, because if you are smart you know how to figure them out, hence the ignorant comment which I am going to apologize for...)

Someone seemed I went back a few pages but stopped looking for the who, and IT NEVER mattered) to get UPSET LIKE ST. LOUIS BRAVE WAS SOAPBOXING WHEN THE ONLY THING HE WAS SOAP BOXING WAS THE ISSUE THAT WAS CLOSE TO HIS HEART HOCKEY HEAD SHOTS...REACTING TO THAT AND USING THE OTHER TWO as the similar way they were treated for a long long long time.

Then that took MANY others into "it's a hockey blog, DON'T...." when it STARTED AS A HOCKEY head shot post.
It's nice to know that Eli has helpers in policing the topics, but I was directing
my comments to the intolence stuff...egggshells were they weren't necessary, imo.

Not calling any one person whose in touch with reality that...wasn't directed at "a" person direct. Not one size fits all...more like the shoe fits.
and I thought I was done...I am now.
C'Ya
Honestly I rarely check the name of who posts what...
But hocktock can in a private message to me, I really am too curious and NEED to know what the "as a noun but your acting like a verb" really are...
I wanna use that! love ya, ok?