One question may be which left wing will be the ire of our frustration the most next season? Kuni, Rust, Sheary or Wilson???

I'm betting most will want a bag of pucks for Sheary in the first month, a damp towel for Rust & Kuni's first born (Wilson will be on LTIR).

One question may be which left wing will be the ire of our frustration the most next season? Kuni, Rust, Sheary or Wilson???

I'm betting most will want a bag of pucks for Sheary in the first month, a damp towel for Rust & Kuni's first born (Wilson will be on LTIR).
- Aussiepenguin

I agree. The Pens need to upgrade at this position. Ruth is being too sentimental with this team right now.

Considering Anderson will be 36 very soon (When his deal expires), I bet they'd be interested In Fleury. I think he's worth Pageau.
- Barnaby36

MAF is worth a second round pick and maybe a decent prospect at most IMO. Agree that there is a match with Ottawa. Disagree that he has the worth of a kid that had 43 points, including 19 goals for the Senators last year at this juncture.

Vesey wouldn't be a terrible gamble, but I just don't don't think he's going to live up to the hype.

My guess is he's going to be another Kevin Hayes.
- Rinosaur

I'm not a fan of those who pull the stunts Vesey did. Schultz did the same thing too. It's their right, but be thankful to be drafted high when someone thought much of you. Nashville would have been a great place for him. Vessel better show up and make immediate impact wherever he signs. He will take a lot of criticism this year if he doesn't and its justified.

I'd take Killorn.

I'd rather go after Nyqvist. Is Mantha any good?
- Barnaby36

Tatar>Nyquist.

They're not going to trade a promising top-six player like Pageau. Pageau has all the makings of becoming a legit 2nd line/high-end 3rd line center in this league. Maybe a perennial 20-goal-scorer.

Ottawa unfortunately has limited resources in which to part with. Everything of value for trade is not something they can afford to move.

About the only thing they could afford to move at this point is Anderson.

I don't see them being match, but if they were, I'd do the following:

TO PIT: Craig Anderson (50% retention by OTT)
TO OTT: MAF + 3rd round pick

I'm sure Ottawa fans would have problems with that proposal. The 3rd round pick is compensation for the salary retention.

Also, the only other caveat is whether or not Andersonn would HAVE to be protected in the draft? If so, he's no use to the Pens.
- Rinosaur

So a "promising" 3rd line player is worth way more than a borderline HOF goalie in his prime. I know the goalie mkt is odd, but calling a Pageau trade as a huge overpayment is silly. Ottawa would be getting the best player in the deal by far.

Your trade offer won't fly. We don't exactly need salary retention on Anderson as Fleury is more expensive so it opens up cap space. So your basically paying another team a 3rd round pick to take MAF. You do this deal at the 25th hour before the expansion draft.

I'm not a fan of those who pull the stunts Vesey did. Schultz did the same thing too. It's their right, but be thankful to be drafted high when someone thought much of you. Nashville would have been a great place for him. Vessel better show up and make immediate impact wherever he signs. He will take a lot of criticism this year if he doesn't and its justified.
- Oneonta Penguin

No disagreement that Nashville looked like a great place for him. Solid team. Not the best town, but legit cup contender.

That being said your analysis of the situation is essentially Slaves should be happy a plantation owner wants them to work on their farm.

No disagreement that Nashville looked like a great place for him. Solid team. Not the best town, but legit cup contender.

That being said your analysis of the situation is essentially Slaves should be happy a plantation owner wants them to work on their farm.
- sditulli

did you really just compare drafting in sports to slavery?

did you really just compare drafting in sports to slavery?
- martox

Only real difference is the pay package. But the lack of rights of drafted players to control their own freedom of movement is intact (lone loophole playing 4 years in college).

So a "promising" 3rd line player is worth way more than a borderline HOF goalie in his prime. I know the goalie mkt is odd, but calling a Pageau trade as a huge overpayment is silly. Ottawa would be getting the best player in the deal by far.

Your trade offer won't fly. We don't exactly need salary retention on Anderson as Fleury is more expensive so it opens up cap space. So your basically paying another team a 3rd round pick to take MAF. You do this deal at the 25th hour before the expansion draft.
- sditulli

Wow what a poor offer: Anderson (50% retained) for MAF + 3 RP. LOL

MAF is a much better goalie and is younger. If it weren't for our cap situation and the rise of Murray I wouldn't want to trade him at all.

I still believe we could get a guy like Pageau for MAF (and perhaps something small).

Wow what a poor offer: Anderson (50% retained) for MAF + 3 RP. LOL

MAF is a much better goalie and is younger. If it weren't for our cap situation and the rise of Murray I wouldn't want to trade him at all.

I still believe we could get a guy like Pageau for MAF (and perhaps something small).
- Barnaby36

Agree. Actually don't think our cap is the main problem. Murray is likely to come in at 4/year on his bridge deal. So Fleury at 5.75 could probably be made to work. Bigger issue is we can't afford to pay Fleury and Murray at the same time and the expansion draft.

But in a normal market pageau would seem to be fair value if not an underpayment. Ottawa is likely to cheap to make a move on Fleury though.

Tatar>Nyquist.
- j.boyd919

It's a sweedish thing You know..

Hagelin, Hörnqvist, Sündqvist, Nyqvist...

It's a sweedish thing You know..

Hagelin, Hörnqvist, Sündqvist, Nyqvist...
- Barnaby36

lundqvist qvist means branch btw in swedish. well in old swedish it did when all the names started. nowadays it is spelled kvist. sund means healthy so Sundqvist =
healthy branch

Only real difference is the pay package. But the lack of rights of drafted players to control their own freedom of movement is intact (lone loophole playing 4 years in college).
- sditulli

Really??? Getting paid millions as opposed to being beaten and tortured is the only difference between sports drafting and slavery? Even if that were true that is more than enough to make the 2 nothing alike.

Saying that an athlete who CHOOSES to forgo his freedom of movement in order to be paid millions of dollars in his chosen profession and being kidnapped and FORCED into working without compensation, in horrible conditions while being beaten and tortured on a regular basis are even remotely similar is the most absurd and incorrect thing I've ever seen on the internet.

Really??? Getting paid millions as opposed to being beaten and tortured is the only difference between sports drafting and slavery? Even if that were true that is more than enough to make the 2 nothing alike.

Saying that an athlete who CHOOSES to forgo his freedom of movement in order to be paid millions of dollars in his chosen profession and being kidnapped and FORCED into working without compensation, in horrible conditions while being beaten and tortured on a regular basis are even remotely similar is the most absurd and incorrect thing I've ever seen on the internet.
- jaydogg1974

I understand the difference of order of magnitudes.

But they essentially lose their market rights to play hockey. Under a system where two other sides negotiated away their freedom of movement and ability to negotiate their own pay packages. The average member of the players association is much older than a draft eligible player. They have chosen to limit entry level player pay in order to maximize the pay of the average Union member. That is essentially how most unions negotiate. Hurt the young while benefiting seniority.

The similarity is that non-market forces essentially limit the rights and labor compensation of a minority. Different in scale yes.

Only real difference is the pay package. But the lack of rights of drafted players to control their own freedom of movement is intact (lone loophole playing 4 years in college).
- sditulli

I completely disagree with this statement. Hockey players as well as many other professional athletes have many options. There are many leagues around the globe they can go to. Also nobody is forcing them to play hockey.

I don't know where you work but where I work if you chose to move into a different field within the organization you must start at the bottom and work your way up. Or if you choose to go to another office it is the same situation, you go to the bottom.

Quick question for you all...

Is it likely that Ruth asked Cullen to wait until the Duper LTIR sets in before signing for cap purposes?
Or is that against some obscure CBA rule?

Wow what a poor offer: Anderson (50% retained) for MAF + 3 RP. LOL

MAF is a much better goalie and is younger. If it weren't for our cap situation and the rise of Murray I wouldn't want to trade him at all.

I still believe we could get a guy like Pageau for MAF (and perhaps something small).
- Barnaby36

That would be Pageau...

It's a sweedish thing You know..

Hagelin, Hörnqvist, Sündqvist, Nyqvist...
- Barnaby36

Yeahh.. but Nyquist is RW.. don't really need those... Tatar plays the left side, and is a beast.

Wow what a poor offer: Anderson (50% retained) for MAF + 3 RP. LOL

MAF is a much better goalie and is younger. If it weren't for our cap situation and the rise of Murray I wouldn't want to trade him at all.

I still believe we could get a guy like Pageau for MAF (and perhaps something small).
- Barnaby36

Stop with the Pageau offers man Maybe you can trade MAF for any player with those skill sets but Ottawa simply isn't moving Pageau because he's loved by the fans.

The most important reason that he will stay is the he's born in Ottawa.... no way they move a local kid who shows as much promise as he does.