I must of missed that meeting
- Glak18

we didn't invite you actually

Yes. Andrew MacDonald should be making league minimum (or thereabouts) based on his skill. I did not say they should have signed him to league minimum, as that would have been impossible. I know that his market value was roughly what the Flyers gave him. But that's not what his actual value was.
- phatpat44

Mac is overpaid but he's not a league minimum player.

we didn't invite you actually
- Mononoke

That's ok I was on vacation anyway. CEO retreat for Buzzers.

I've read it. And apparently this isn't getting through to you. I'm not arguing we should be paying MacDonald league minimum right now. That was never my point. I never said we paid more than what he would have made on the open market. I've never said Homer negotiated against himself. I'm making the point that the value he provides as a hockey player is that of a replacement level player. Replacement level players should make no more than league minimum.

And yes, Andrew MacDonald is selling something. He is selling his services as a hockey player. Just like I sell my services as a business analyst. That's what employment is.



There are many people who have worked on this in a more detailed way, but more broadly, when he is on the ice, his team is likely to be outscored than when he is off. And he's one of the worst in the league in that regard.

After that, you can determine how many goals a player is worth vs. a replacement level player. That can then be converted to wins (About 6 goals for a win IIRC). A player should be paid about $3.5M (IIRC again) for a win.
- phatpat44

You can't sell something someone already bought and owns.

You can't sell something someone already bought and owns.
- roenick97

Microsoft does....

He should be, if he were paid based on his abilities. I mean, this really shouldn't be that controversial. He couldn't even crack last years roster. And even if the cap space excuse is accepted, they didn't call him up after they traded Schenn. If they thought he was good, why wasn't he recalled then? And he's not likely going to make the team this year, even though they'll have plenty of cap space. Even the team that signed him obviously doesn't think he is all that integral.
- phatpat44

Mac didn't make last season's roster because he's making too much money. If Mac were making 3.5 to 4 million rather then the 5 million plus that we pay him, he's a lock for the team. The Flyers were trying to save money against the cap, while giving an opportunity to players like Laughton, Manning and later Cousins, which wouldn't be possible with Mac's cap hit.

Microsoft does....
- Glak18

Touche

Looking at expansion protection list, obviously barring trades, not sure who the Flyers will choose.

Final 2 spots and 4 players.

Weise
Raffl
Laughton
Cousins

Who do you pick?

You're certainly allowed to discuss it. I think we would both agree that he's not a 5M a year player. The issue is he's also not a league minimum player.
- MJL

Pretty much.

Mac didn't make last season's roster because he's making too much money. If Mac were making 3.5 to 4 million rather then the 5 million plus that we pay him, he's a lock for the team. The Flyers were trying to save money against the cap, while giving an opportunity to players like Laughton, Manning and later Cousins, which wouldn't be possible with Mac's cap hit.
- roenick97

This doesn't make any sense though. 950k is all that could have been gained by waiving him, so it doesn't really matter if he made $4M or $5M. The relief is the same.

Once Schenn and Vinny were traded, there was ample cap space to have him on the roster if it was so desired.

You can't sell something someone already bought and owns.
- roenick97

I meant at the time

This doesn't make any sense though. 950k is all that could have been gained by waiving him, so it doesn't really matter if he made $4M or $5M. The relief is the same.

Once Schenn and Vinny were traded, there was ample cap space to have him on the roster if it was so desired.
- phatpat44

In my opinion, one Hextall was not happy with MacDonald's play the previous season, and secondly, they were committed to giving Manning a long look, as well as Medvedev. In the end, in my opinion, it was clear that MacDonald was one of the top 6 NHL defenseman in the organization.

In my opinion, one Hextall was not happy with MacDonald's play the previous season, and secondly, they were committed to giving Manning a long look, as well as Medvedev. In the end, in my opinion, it was clear that MacDonald was one of the top 6 NHL defenseman in the organization.
- MJL

So you are saying you feel MacDonald will be on the roster opening night?

In my opinion, one Hextall was not happy with MacDonald's play the previous season, and secondly, they were committed to giving Manning a long look, as well as Medvedev. In the end, in my opinion, it was clear that MacDonald was one of the top 6 NHL defenseman in the organization.
- MJL

Where would you have him in the depth chart? I'd probably have him 8th or so I think (last year)

Ghost
MDZ
Gudas
Streit
Medvedev (this one is tough, because he played well when given the opportunity, but was hurt and scratched a lot)
Manning
Schultz
Amac

So you are saying you feel MacDonald will be on the roster opening night?
- Glak18

No telling. Don't know if one of the young defenseman is going to make the team, or what might happen the rest of the Summer. I think it's safe to say that the Flyers would move MacDonald, if they find a deal they like.

Where would you have him in the depth chart? I'd probably have him 8th or so I think (last year)

Ghost
MDZ
Gudas
Streit
Medvedev (this one is tough, because he played well when given the opportunity, but was hurt and scratched a lot)
Manning
Schultz
Amac
- phatpat44

Last year, I'd have him 5th or 6th. Medvedev was not a good NHL defenseman. Very inconsistent, and poor without the puck. MacDonald is better than Manning significantly. Also a better all around player than Medvedev.

Well, apparently I'm not allowed to discuss this anymore, so this will be my last post. I didn't think I was breaking any code of conduct here, but whatever.

- phatpat44

Wait what if....

....EUREKA

Wait what if....

....EUREKA
- Giroux_Is_God

I feel like the difficulty setting is turned down all the way

I feel like the difficulty setting is turned down all the way
- Mononoke

Fair trades are off again

So Andy Mac = minutes eater . Much like the mlb pitcher who is an innings eater as has an era near 5. Doesn't mean either are that good

This doesn't make any sense though. 950k is all that could have been gained by waiving him, so it doesn't really matter if he made $4M or $5M. The relief is the same.

Once Schenn and Vinny were traded, there was ample cap space to have him on the roster if it was so desired.
- phatpat44

Schenn and Vinny were traded mid season and you need cap space for call ups.

What's foolish is stating that he should be making league minimum.
- MJL

He is one of the highest paid AHLers of last season.

Schenn at...

1 yr for 5.5M...not happy, puts team in tighter spot, but workable for the Flyers. Either Schenn blows up, not this last 2 months of the year crap, and gets paid or the Flyers trade him.

2 yrs for 4.3M...Satisfied, reevaluate at end of 2 years, worse case scenario let him walk as a UFA or best case you finally get a player who performs above their pay for once then renegotiate.

Last thing I want to see is Schenn signed for 4-5+ years at 5M+. End up being another situation where the Flyers need to shed dead contract to either resign a young player. Could end up making the Read contract look like a super steal.
- Glak18

This! We can't unload a top 4 NHL Dman (per MJL) with a market value contract, let alone an overpaid Schenn who played hot for a few months to get the big pay day.

He's roped in another
- PhillySportsGuy

The Bully of Hockeybuzz.

Looking at expansion protection list, obviously barring trades, not sure who the Flyers will choose.

Final 2 spots and 4 players.

Weise
Raffl
Laughton
Cousins

Who do you pick?
- Glak18

Depends on how Laughton & Cousins progress this season. Could see some of them be trade chips, too.