If we do a dumo deal before the season starts and he's only had one good year then maybe 4.25 gets it done with a few Ufa years bought out.
- sditulli

Daley + Scuderi's retention will go to pay Dumo. If Daley is re-signed I'd have to imagine it would be at half the price he's at now given his age.

Kunitz will also be off the books as well as the likelihood of MAF being moved.

The Pens should be in a solid financial position to tie up all loose ends to keep this team competitive.

I've said 900 hundred times before and I'll say it again even though people keep calling me crazy. People are gonna be surprised with what Dumo gets. I'm talking sub 4K. He's a modern day defense d man and the league has just not caught up with the times in valuing that type of player. Currently the league values offensive d men that rack up points, or gritty, hard hitting stay at home d men that protect the crease. Smooth skating, defensively perfect d men that defend with their stick who don't necessarily rack up the points aren't super valued. I think Dumo gets south of Maatta money.

If Dumo is with Letang, I'd say 30+ is more than reasonable. If with Daley, ~20 seems about right. Same for Maatta really, they are the more defensive minded Dman in those pairings and the points "should" reflect that.
- Guile

Maatta's a lot more offensively talented than Dumoulin, IMO. Healthy Maatta gets 35+ next season even if he's not paired with Letang.

Maatta's a lot more offensively talented than Dumoulin, IMO. Healthy Maatta gets 35+ next season even if he's not paired with Letang.
- Victoro311

I think Dumo is better from the point than Maatta. Maatta is better when pinching and joining the cycle though.

Maatta's a lot more offensively talented than Dumoulin, IMO. Healthy Maatta gets 35+ next season even if he's not paired with Letang.
- Victoro311

$4M/years, 4 years sounds about right for Dumoulin.

I think Dumo is better from the point than Maatta. Maatta is better when pinching and joining the cycle though.
- Guile

I agree. I'm still trying to find Dumo's booming shot as described on his scouting report.

I agree. I'm still trying to find Dumo's booming shot as described on his scouting report.
- Barnaby36

The big shot is definitely there but hitting the net consistently is not quite yet. It will come for sure. I would wager Dumoulin gets the exact same contract as Maatta. Rutherford has yet to call him untouchable even though at this point he is.

$4M/years, 4 years sounds about right for Dumoulin.
- Barnaby36

No I'm with Dcoms here. Sign him long now he won't let us down & will be a mainstay for the future Pens. Longer term less $ is a great investment.

Edit: Just to clarify that, sign him for term because in 3/4 years he's going to be worth a lot more than we pay him now.

Sdituli:
Regular Season vs. Playoffs

Golden State is a better regular season than playoff team (spurs too) because their systems are different than most teams. But in the playoffs teams that had better athletes were able to make adjustments that slowed them down (different next year for GS because Durant is physically dominant). For one game its difficult to make major adjustments. Basically if a team has a day or two to implement something to counter the Pens it would be difficult. For divisional games I'd expect more adjustments since they play a lot of games against each other. Playoffs next year will be interesting though. A full year and proper time to make adjustments. That being said there are not a lot of adjustments you can make when facing better depth and better athletes. Easier to make adjustments over time to a team getting by on a unique system. Tougher to make adjustments to a team running an honest system well that has more talent.

Somewhat reminds me of the Rangers series. People made remarks that the Rangers didn't make adjustments. But it felt to me that they just didn't have enough talent. They make one adjustment and then a different line is facing weaker match-ups.

Regular season games or playoffs, teams have to go in with a plan. I think now with the trades that have taken place, you can't just go in & shut down Sid & Tanger & expect to win - although Tampa did their best to take Tanger out. So plan B & C is what now, trap D? All teams that are contenders have good/great players. Round 1 of playoffs may not have 2 contenders playing as I didn't rate the Rags last season. But then to have the Caps & Tampa they certainly were. So what do they have to do to beat us? What can we do to continue winning? Shutting down speed is hard in an open game, will we see more interference as teams try to slow us down??

Sdituli:
Regular Season vs. Playoffs

Golden State is a better regular season than playoff team (spurs too) because their systems are different than most teams. But in the playoffs teams that had better athletes were able to make adjustments that slowed them down (different next year for GS because Durant is physically dominant). For one game its difficult to make major adjustments. Basically if a team has a day or two to implement something to counter the Pens it would be difficult. For divisional games I'd expect more adjustments since they play a lot of games against each other. Playoffs next year will be interesting though. A full year and proper time to make adjustments. That being said there are not a lot of adjustments you can make when facing better depth and better athletes. Easier to make adjustments over time to a team getting by on a unique system. Tougher to make adjustments to a team running an honest system well that has more talent.

Somewhat reminds me of the Rangers series. People made remarks that the Rangers didn't make adjustments. But it felt to me that they just didn't have enough talent. They make one adjustment and then a different line is facing weaker match-ups.

Regular season games or playoffs, teams have to go in with a plan. I think now with the trades that have taken place, you can't just go in & shut down Sid & Tanger & expect to win - although Tampa did their best to take Tanger out. So plan B & C is what now, trap D? All teams that are contenders have good/great players. Round 1 of playoffs may not have 2 contenders playing as I didn't rate the Rags last season. But then to have the Caps & Tampa they certainly were. So what do they have to do to beat us? What can we do to continue winning? Shutting down speed is hard in an open game, will we see more interference as teams try to slow us down??
- Aussiepenguin

It's likely holding will make a resurgence to combat speed.

This blog is wack. Dead.

This blog is wack. Dead.
- Barnaby36

That's what happens when you win the Cup, don't (frank) up freeagency, and return almost everyone from your cup winning roster. Not much to talk about. Life is pretty much perfect right now. We don't have to worry about a thing until expansion.

That's what happens when you win the Cup, don't (frank) up freeagency, and return almost everyone from your cup winning roster. Not much to talk about. Life is pretty much perfect right now. We don't have to worry about a thing until expansion.
- Victoro311

Hopefully, next year at this time it will be just as dead and boring!

Hopefully, next year at this time it will be just as dead and boring!
- stevens87

We can hope!

Dude cane flat out skate.

Dude cane flat out skate.
- powerhouse

Absolutely! And to think some called him "had no trade value", "trade while you can". Looking at you my friend Oneonta

How about trade Malkin? Jesus.

Btw the owner of the Islanders is a "Malkin" too right?

I've said 900 hundred times before and I'll say it again even though people keep calling me crazy. People are gonna be surprised with what Dumo gets. I'm talking sub 4K. He's a modern day defense d man and the league has just not caught up with the times in valuing that type of player. Currently the league values offensive d men that rack up points, or gritty, hard hitting stay at home d men that protect the crease. Smooth skating, defensively perfect d men that defend with their stick who don't necessarily rack up the points aren't super valued. I think Dumo gets south of Maatta money.
- Victoro311

The analytics don't fit your argument. Larrson just got traded for a super star. He had 18 pts last year. Paul Martin got 4.9 million per year with term and he's rather old now. Hamhuis kinda fits your argument but he's close to 4 and has been hurt a lot.

All the comps point to dumoulin getting 5+ on a Ufa deal. Rfa deal or a contract signed before he has a second good year would change things a bit.

Orpik deal was silly. But mostly because there was evidence he was already declining.

The analytics don't fit your argument. Larrson just got traded for a super star. He had 18 pts last year. Paul Martin got 4.9 million per year with term and he's rather old now. Hamhuis kinda fits your argument but he's close to 4 and has been hurt a lot.

All the comps point to dumoulin getting 5+ on a Ufa deal. Rfa deal or a contract signed before he has a second good year would change things a bit.

Orpik deal was silly. But mostly because there was evidence he was already declining.
- sditulli

why would dumo get more money than mattaa?

That's what happens when you win the Cup, don't (frank) up freeagency, and return almost everyone from your cup winning roster. Not much to talk about. Life is pretty much perfect right now. We don't have to worry about a thing until expansion.
- Victoro311

I'm waiting patiently to bring you all the full 411 from the rookie tournament and my niece and nephew are less patient than I am about waiting for it. There are a few players I can't wait to see up close and personal and playing amongst their peers. Bengsston, Prow, Conor Hall, Ryan Jones, Blueger, Guentzle, Gustavson, and any standouts that catch my eye. I'm going to enjoy this year because there is no clear cut NHL guaranteed player. It will all come down to how hard they work and who they are as a person and how far they are willing to go.

Dude cane flat out skate.
- powerhouse

This biggest World Cup snub in my opinion. What more does the guy have to do to get some love? He's top 5 2 way dmen in the NHL and he's just so clutch. Plays in every situation and does it at an elite level. He's the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey, for all you young kids that don't get the comparison lets just say he gets no respect.

I'm waiting patiently to bring you all the full 411 from the rookie tournament and my niece and nephew are less patient than I am about waiting for it. There are a few players I can't wait to see up close and personal and playing amongst their peers. Bengsston, Prow, Conor Hall, Ryan Jones, Blueger, Guentzle, Gustavson, and any standouts that catch my eye. I'm going to enjoy this year because there is no clear cut NHL guaranteed player. It will all come down to how hard they work and who they are as a person and how far they are willing to go.
- Dcoms

I think Guentzel is the only guy that really stands out as NHL ready. If he puts on 10 lbs hes good to go.

why would dumo get more money than mattaa?
- martox

He was better last year. But main reason is a dumo deal would include Ufa years. Can't compare Rfa and Ufa salaries