Bozak>>>>Holland.. its not even close.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Except the stats say it is close.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Peter Holland arb:
Team offer: $900K. Player ask: $2.1M

Except the stats say it is close.
- burn

Holland has a career high of 27 points? Bozaks 49 points twice?

or what stats? face offs?

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Peter Holland arb:
Team offer: $900K. Player ask: $2.1M



- Fruitcakenipple

Oh..

Holland has a career high of 27 points? Bozaks 49 points twice?

or what stats? face offs?
- poohcrumbs

Peter holland career high of 27pts on the 4th line, bozak career high on the 1st line with an 80pts winger.

Bozak is better than Holland and I'm no fan of Bozak

That being said Bozak is at an age where he will start regressing while Holland is going to get better

Problem is the depth chart... As it stands atm Bozak is basically pencilled in as the 2C and that's no place for Holland right now.

Hollands in each of the last three years has basically equaled bozak production/60 if not out done him in some instances. And that is with weaker linemates and less offensive starts.

Bozak makes 4.25mil and some think is underrated and holland who makes 5x less isn't able to be an nhl according to those same people......

Holland at his price is way better value.

Peter holland career high of 27pts on the 4th line, bozak career high on the 1st line with an 80pts winger.
- burn

11 of holland's points came on the PP tho burn... which is a very notable piece of info you are leaving out of your argument

Although the winger tallied just 27 points on the year, 11 of those points came on the man advantage where he average 2:29 in ice time per night.

http://www.cbssports.com/...age/1707560/peter-holland

Hollands in each of the last three years has basically equaled bozak production/60 if not out done him in some instances. And that is with weaker linemates and less offensive starts.

Bozak makes 4.25mil and some think is underrated and holland who makes 5x less isn't able to be an nhl according to those same people......

Holland at his price is way better value.
- burn

you really got to stop saying this

he was given tons of offensive zone starts and PP time

11 of holland's points came on the PP tho burn... which is a very notable piece of info you are leaving out of your argument

Although the winger tallied just 27 points on the year, 11 of those points came on the man advantage where he average 2:29 in ice time per night.

http://www.cbssports.com/...age/1707560/peter-holland
- Dozzer

No, I addressed that. Holland had less mins on the pp than bozak and scored much more.

A lot of bozaks pts in his career years also on the pp though too.


I've compared both players 5on5 scoring over the last 3yrs and holland more goals/60 and slightly less assist/60 (holland didn't get the chance to play with kessel putting up 80pts and jvr). Their total production/60 is even.

Holland allows less shots.

you really got to stop saying this

he was given tons of offensive zone starts and PP time
- Dozzer

Why do I have to stop saying it? I was talking about 5on5 there, so pp is irrelevant.

Bozak is better than Holland and I'm no fan of Bozak

That being said Bozak is at an age where he will start regressing while Holland is going to get better

Problem is the depth chart... As it stands atm Bozak is basically pencilled in as the 2C and that's no place for Holland right now.
- Dozzer

I see nothing in Holland that indicates he is going to get any better.

Sorry.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Peter Holland arb:
Team offer: $900K. Player ask: $2.1M



- Fruitcakenipple

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why they put him on waivers.

When he isn't claimed, Lou has all the ammo he needs for the hearing.

Why do I have to stop saying it? I was talking about 5on5 there, so pp is irrelevant.
- burn

ok... then adjust your claim of point production to 16 then

since thats all he scored at even strength

I see nothing in Holland that indicates he is going to get any better.

Sorry.
- Atomic Wedgie

ok... i should have been clearer

bozak is at his ceiling, he won't get better

holland has the potential to get better... thats not saying he will... but the 25 - 30 window is when players these days play their most productive hockey (with the exception of superstars which neither bozak or holland are)

i still feel more comfortable with bozak in the lineup... need experience down the middle... and the idea of kadri holland and matthews as 1-2-3 seems a little light in that department

ok... then adjust your claim of point production to 16 then

since thats all he scored at even strength
- Dozzer

I'm not the one that mentioned pts.... I've been speaking about /60 all along.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why they put him on waivers.

When he isn't claimed, Lou has all the ammo he needs for the hearing.
- Atomic Wedgie

yup... i bet he gets a two way deal as well

I'm not the one that mentioned pts.... I've been speaking about /60 all along.
- burn

you're a shifty lil bugger arent ya? lol

also.. using bozak's stats from last year is unfair as he had a pretty major injury mid season...argue against that point all you want but the truth is it will have effected his production due to getting back up to speed etc.

my guess is bozak will get the phaneuf treatment this year... ideal situations to pump up his value and moved at the deadline if he isnt hurt

while holland either accepts the leafs one way offer or he gets to incubate in the minors til after the deadline

5on5 zone starts:

Holland 33% dzone, 29% ozone
Bozak 29% dzone, 38% ozone


Like I said bozak got easy starts with better linemates, and was sheltered from tough comp.

Holland started more on the defensive zone, and was still able to score equal bozak /60.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #BlueJays have discussed both Cashner, Melvin Upton Jr. with #Padres. No traction on Cashner due to perceived difference in value
- Fruitcakenipple

Isn't Cashner injured more often than Tulo and Lupul?

you're a shifty lil bugger arent ya? lol

also.. using bozak's stats from last year is unfair as he had a pretty major injury mid season...argue against that point all you want but the truth is it will have effected his production due to getting back up to speed etc.

my guess is bozak will get the phaneuf treatment this year... ideal situations to pump up his value and moved at the deadline if he isnt hurt

while holland either accepts the leafs one way offer or he gets to incubate in the minors til after the deadline
- Dozzer

It's a good thing I looked at all 3years holland has been here then eh.....

Isn't Cashner injured more often than Tulo and Lupul?
- walshyleafsfan

Apparently it's Upton they after...confusing..

you're a shifty lil bugger arent ya? lol

also.. using bozak's stats from last year is unfair as he had a pretty major injury mid season...argue against that point all you want but the truth is it will have effected his production due to getting back up to speed etc.

my guess is bozak will get the phaneuf treatment this year... ideal situations to pump up his value and moved at the deadline if he isnt hurt

while holland either accepts the leafs one way offer or he gets to incubate in the minors til after the deadline
- Dozzer

But if you pro-rate Bozak's points, he ends up with 49 over an 82 game season. Which is exactly what he got the year previous...

- MCharisma91

So he went from 0 toes, to 5 toes and then back to 2 toes.. I don't understand this evolution...

I don't get why some are taking a stance on Holland. A hard one at that...