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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 22 @ 11:38 AM ET
Carle, Colaiacovo, Gagner, Grossmann, Richards, Luke Schenn, Seidenberg, Umberger, Versteeg ... all former Flyers who played in 15-16 but are without NHL contracts right now.
- Feanor

I'm kind of amazed Luke hasn't been signed yet.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 22 @ 11:41 AM ET
I'm kind of amazed Luke hasn't been signed yet.
- hereticpride



I think he will be a late signing, maybe even during a training camp once teams see what their needs are.

Luke Schenn would be a great pickup for a team who needs some inexpensive sandpaper.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 11:46 AM ET
I liked Steve Downie in his second stint with the Flyers. I honestly think we would have stood a better chance against the Rangers with a healthy down on that Coots, Read and Downie line.
- roenick97


Downie came in and for 11 or so games (after he got himself concussed in his first game), that line caught fire and sparked their turnaround. After that, he was nothing but a boat anchor dragging that line down, which is why he was scratched for an AHLer. He faded fast, and the line actually performed better for the last 2 1/2 months when he was not out there with them.

Just to be clear, this is not me attacking you or being defensive, just giving my take of your idea.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 11:47 AM ET
I think he will be a late signing, maybe even during a training camp once teams see what their needs are.

Luke Schenn would be a great pickup for a team who needs some inexpensive sandpaper.

- MBFlyerfan


So...the Flyers?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 22 @ 11:50 AM ET

http://www.philly.com/phi...es-in-2016-17-season.html

20 national TV games for the Flyers this season.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
So...the Flyers?
- jmatchett383



If they could sign him for 1.5-2 would you do it?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 22 @ 11:53 AM ET
http://www.philly.com/phi...es-in-2016-17-season.html

20 national TV games for the Flyers this season.

- MBFlyerfan


Great, so 20 blackouts on Gamecenter.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 11:58 AM ET
If they could sign him for 1.5-2 would you do it?
- MBFlyerfan


Yes, assuming we could move one of our current defensemen (Schultz, Streit, AMac).
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 22 @ 12:01 PM ET
If they could sign him for 1.5-2 would you do it?
- MBFlyerfan


Nah, he seems to be more trouble than he's worth
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 12:02 PM ET
So...anyone still want Evander Kane?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 22 @ 12:07 PM ET
Nah, he seems to be more trouble than he's worth
- Scoob



Luke Schenn? Really? He always seemed to be a good soldier to me.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 22 @ 12:27 PM ET
So...anyone still want Evander Kane?
- jmatchett383



For MacDonald? I would be ok with it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 12:29 PM ET
For MacDonald? I would be ok with it.
- J35Bacher


As soon as AMac gets arrested on 4 charges of harrassment, I'll do it.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 22 @ 12:32 PM ET
As soon as AMac gets arrested on 4 charges of harrassment, I'll do it.
- jmatchett383



I would do it.

Can always terminate Kane's contract and gain cap space then.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Jul 22 @ 12:47 PM ET
Bill,

The comment has been made in the past that said prospect would benefit more in the NHL b/c of more "structure". I think that may have bode well for Ghost last year. Do you see any Flyers prospects on the current cusp of potentially vying for a roster spot this year that my fit this theory?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 22 @ 12:49 PM ET
Luke Schenn? Really? He always seemed to be a good soldier to me.
- MBFlyerfan


My bad, I thought the question was about E Kane
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 22 @ 12:51 PM ET
So...anyone still want Evander Kane?
- jmatchett383


Yea. For read and a 2nd.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 22 @ 12:59 PM ET
So...anyone still want Evander Kane?
- jmatchett383


Well, not if this accusation is true.

But, let's not be so quick to throw stones yet.

Our projected 3rd line center this year had his own legal issues once upon a time.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:10 PM ET
Well, not if this accusation is true.

But, let's not be so quick to throw stones yet.

Our projected 3rd line center this year had his own legal issues once upon a time.

- johndewar



Very good point.

I had forgotten about that situation
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 22 @ 1:15 PM ET
Whatever happens with Schenn, I can sleep at night without worrying about waking up to 7 years 45 million. Thank you Hexy
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 22 @ 1:17 PM ET
Very good point.

I had forgotten about that situation

- J35Bacher


As I suspect most Flyers fans have.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 22 @ 1:23 PM ET
Well, not if this accusation is true.

But, let's not be so quick to throw stones yet.

Our projected 3rd line center this year had his own legal issues once upon a time.

- johndewar


Well, if we could have Evander Kane for no hard assets at Cousins' contract, then I'd be all for it.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:29 PM ET
Whatever happens with Schenn, I can sleep at night without worrying about waking up to 7 years 45 million. Thank you Hexy
- Just5


I think you'll be able to get your 8 hours
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 22 @ 1:30 PM ET
Sam Gagner still turning out to be a productive player is a testament to his hockey sense... b/c yeah, his body and his skating were nowhere close to where they needed to be when then put him in the lineup. He could have easily ended up being another Rob Schremp.
- Tomahawk


The environment into which they arrive is also huge. Sure, there's teenage superstars who can make due with anything, but most kids need help those first few years in the league. They need a coach who puts some trust in them and allows them opportunity to grow without looking foolish or being chewed out for it. They need a role. They need quality teammates (read: not "veterans" like Nick Schultz) who can help them become a pro and insulate them. I see someone like Fabbri, who is very similar to Konecny, have success on the Blues and think that, if Travis is ready (which is questionable), he can get much the same with our group. He won't be fed to the wolves by his little lonesome.

I think a lot of the kids who come up early and bust probably would have done so anyway. Many of the oft circulated names had big flaws, even for top kiddos. And many of them were put into terrible environments to boot.
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jul 22 @ 1:33 PM ET
Well, not if this accusation is true.

But, let's not be so quick to throw stones yet.

Our projected 3rd line center this year had his own legal issues once upon a time.

- johndewar


Cousins' one situation was different than whats being ongoing with E.Kane.
But it does sound like he just turned himself in for the prior incident
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