jiggyspoopbuddy is always white knighting and apologizing for oilers, its sick.

same idiot that defends MacT. next
- truthservedcold

I make fart noises with my mouth.

Seguin totally carried the Bruins to winning a cup
- prismo

Yeah, without Seguin the Bruins wouldn't have had a shot.

How's the tendy situation is Talbot solid ? I haven't seen him since he was a Ranger.
- blizzzard

Absolutely love Talbot... He's a great goalie, he likes the Ghostbusters (pre-feminist versions) and kinda looks like Seth Rollins

I make fart noises with my mouth.
- Mr.Bobby

hope your hmo covers that

Alone finale is on TV right now!

We have the offense we need?

The Oilers were 26th in goals last year. And we just traded away our best 5 on 5 forward. I've said many times I'd be ok with Hall going for the right player. Larsson is not even close.
- Iggysbff

he was only our best by default. everyone else was injured.

Hall had 65 points in 82 games. Does that production go up in NJ?

Hall had 65 points in 82 games. Does that production go up in NJ?
- Vanillaface

Henrique had 50 points (30 goals) in 80 games last year. Assuming the top line is something like Hall-Henrique-DSP, I think between 60-70 points for Hall and 50-60 for Henrique are fair projections.

when you have forwaRDS THAT HAVE TO PICK UP ON D MORE THAN ENY OTHER OTHER TEAM IN THE NHL than you have a problem. which everyone knows. the oil had the worst d forever and that has always been the talk with them, and now were here discussing about how the offence should be d men????? come on now its getting crazy now, no matter what the oil did theres always backlash. the team is different now so let the season work itself out this year
- Trevormac902

My gripe with Chiarelli is that he rushed into this trade. He had 3 months before the season to make a better deal. Seems to me he felt pressured to make a big move so he did it just to say he took action. That's not good management of the team assets IMO.
If he couldn't get Larsson for Ebs or even Nuge, he shouldn't have gone ahead. Hall should have gotten us that offensive RHD we need. By pulling this apparently loop-sided trade, he harmed the Oil for future trades as lesser assets will not yield a return anywhere close to equal value.
I disagreed with his giving up 2 high draft picks for Reinhart, who the Isles were more than happy to get rid of. I worried that such a poor trade then would result in more of the same, and so far that's exactly what we've received.

My gripe with Chiarelli is that he rushed into this trade. He had 3 months before the season to make a better deal. Seems to me he felt pressured to make a big move so he did it just to say he took action. That's not good management of the team assets IMO.
If he couldn't get Larsson for Ebs or even Nuge, he shouldn't have gone ahead. Hall should have gotten us that offensive RHD we need. By pulling this apparently loop-sided trade, he harmed the Oil for future trades as lesser assets will not yield a return anywhere close to equal value.
I disagreed with his giving up 2 high draft picks for Reinhart, who the Isles were more than happy to get rid of. I worried that such a poor trade then would result in more of the same, and so far that's exactly what we've received.
- haymac

You don't know thst he rushed into it


He may have been attempting to cultivate deals all season. In fact, this is probably the rational guess.

Furthermore, he stated he first had discussions about larsson LAST summer.


Your assuming there were other trades out there and he jumped the gun.
Thing is we don't know that either is even remotely true


You don't have to like the deal.
But going into another season sans said defender would've been much much worse than this alternative.

Our last 6 seasons trying to mask that deficiency is proof of that.
30th, 29th, 23rd, 28th, 28th, 29th is proof of that.
It cant get worse. What we've been trying has NOT worked

hope your hmo covers that
- truthservedcold

Who's this Jabroni? Is this the moron that writes those god awful MyHockeyBuzz blogs?

hall good, edmonton bad. It's amazing insight like this that makes me come to HB everyday

My gripe with Chiarelli is that he rushed into this trade. He had 3 months before the season to make a better deal. Seems to me he felt pressured to make a big move so he did it just to say he took action. That's not good management of the team assets IMO.
If he couldn't get Larsson for Ebs or even Nuge, he shouldn't have gone ahead. Hall should have gotten us that offensive RHD we need. By pulling this apparently loop-sided trade, he harmed the Oil for future trades as lesser assets will not yield a return anywhere close to equal value.
I disagreed with his giving up 2 high draft picks for Reinhart, who the Isles were more than happy to get rid of. I worried that such a poor trade then would result in more of the same, and so far that's exactly what we've received.
- haymac

Bingo.

My gripe with Chiarelli is that he rushed into this trade. He had 3 months before the season to make a better deal. Seems to me he felt pressured to make a big move so he did it just to say he took action. That's not good management of the team assets IMO.
If he couldn't get Larsson for Ebs or even Nuge, he shouldn't have gone ahead. Hall should have gotten us that offensive RHD we need. By pulling this apparently loop-sided trade, he harmed the Oil for future trades as lesser assets will not yield a return anywhere close to equal value.
I disagreed with his giving up 2 high draft picks for Reinhart, who the Isles were more than happy to get rid of. I worried that such a poor trade then would result in more of the same, and so far that's exactly what we've received.
- haymac

That's not the way the market works.

Bingo.
- Iggysbff

Except that Chia was in talks last summer about Larsson.

The more I hear the more it sounds like Chia was trying multiple places to get a defender over the past year.

I figure that there was no good deal to be had, Snow apparently wanted Hall but wasn't going to give Hamonic.

I don't believe the banter about all these GMs who miraculously after the fact say they would have given more, if only they knew. Bullchit, These guys probably knew but in talks were not playing from a level field and wanted to bend the Oilers over.

In the end the Oilers are a better built team now than they were before.

I really hope it isn't hall-rico-dsp (rather have Boucher, personally think he's going to have a breakout season and has more potential than dsp). I like dsp on the third or fourth line.

Yeah, without Seguin the Bruins wouldn't have had a shot.
- laughs2907

This is kind of ironic, as they probably wouldn't have. Sequin did score a hat trick in the conference finals against TB.......B's won in 7.

That's not the way the market works.
- laughs2907

You can't equate the way NHL GMs work with "normal" markets. Chiarelli has shown his colours...he's a weak negotiator and his track record proves it. GMs will prey on that weakness so long as he's in charge IMO.

Except that Chia was in talks last summer about Larsson.

The more I hear the more it sounds like Chia was trying multiple places to get a defender over the past year.

I figure that there was no good deal to be had, Snow apparently wanted Hall but wasn't going to give Hamonic.

I don't believe the banter about all these GMs who miraculously after the fact say they would have given more, if only they knew. Bullchit, These guys probably knew but in talks were not playing from a level field and wanted to bend the Oilers over.

In the end the Oilers are a better built team now than they were before.
- McSavioursPupil

I refuse to believe that if other GMs were given the opportunity to land Hall, a team deep in D would have become a better trading partner.
A prudent GM would have waited until most FAs were signed as well as RFAs and arbitration hearings concluded to get into serious trade discussions. At that point there's still 2 months till the season starts, all teams know what they've got and most importantly where they stood against the cap. Then push for a deal.
I just want what's best for the Oil. You acknowledge that there's rumours of other GMs lamenting after the trade that they didn't know Hall really was available...where there's smoke, there's fire. Again, what's the bloody rush? Chiarelli screwed up by actng too soon.
Yes Larsson will help and just maybe he'll show some offensive talent, but that's a guess. With less injuries this year and the young guys having more experience under their belts, I'm more optimistic about the season. I just don't like the trade and feel that Chiarelli is proving himself to be a lousy GM.

You can't equate the way NHL GMs work with "normal" markets. Chiarelli has shown his colours...he's a weak negotiator and his track record proves it. GMs will prey on that weakness so long as he's in charge IMO.
- haymac

No, it's a free market. If GMs know that a player is available, they will bid against each other to obtain said asset. This is just a case of (1) People not knowing what Larsson is, and him being underrated because he isn't flashy and (2) there being a premium on RDs.

Or maybe some of us would rather see how his version of the Oilers preforms before we make our judgment. Or would you rather we just skip the season and assume another bottom 5 finish?
- Wildschwein

Ya the Oilers have enough 1st overalls anyways, who cares if Chiarelli gives one or two away.

As long as he gets rid of the the players we had when we were losing we will obviously be better.

Blind homerism. Some just want to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the fact that Chia is an idiot.
- Iggysbff

Wow, I thought I was the only one in Edm who wasn't drunk on the koolaid.

Or maybe some of us would rather see how his version of the Oilers preforms before we make our judgment. Or would you rather we just skip the season and assume another bottom 5 finish?
- Wildschwein

I believe the Oilers are a better team, but if you take your head out of the sand, it isn't because of great or even good team management.

I think Lucic is the main reason why the team is better. Every opposing team will now have to rethink how they play the Oilers. Every team knew they could abuse the Oilers with little to no repercussions in the past few years. Maroon, Kassian and Nurse also change this culture. I think Eberle and RHN will be different players with not having to watch their back every game.

The team was to much, - small and soft players before, with very little veteran guidance. Even Ferrence was more of a force when he had Chara, Lucic, McQuaid backing him up(he sure wasn't much of a force in Edm)(and I don't blame him, he isn't a natural physical force, just as Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz weren't).

(Also the team can't get worse then they were before Chiarelli got there)

No, it's a free market. If GMs know that a player is available, they will bid against each other to obtain said asset. This is just a case of (1) People not knowing what Larsson is, and him being underrated because he isn't flashy and (2) there being a premium on RDs.
- laughs2907

Look, I really hope Larsson is more than he's shown so far. I think this really is a case of a GM feeling the heat and jumping the gun on a deal just to show he's taking action. If he had gone the whole summer trying to get the most return for Hall, i'm convinced we'd have gotten a better offensive RHD.
Yes you're going to overpay to get a premium D, but not to this extent. Larsson is not in the top 30 D in the league based on his performance so far. some of his impressive defensive numbers are due to the Devils being a defence first team, with forwards acting far more responsibly on D than what Oiler forwards have shown, so there's that too.
Yes, I hope this works out for us but so far I don't like Chiarelli's performance at all.

Todd Cordell: Taylor Hall Was Really Good For A Really Bad Team


- AlfieisKing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lre2oMrfjPo