Doan is a loser

If Toews gets "credit" for being a "winner", then the opposite is true of Doan

He's a passenger on a perennially bad team in the middle of nowhere collecting a paycheck

When winning doesn't matter to you, you're name is Shane Doan
- RoloTahmasee

So much stupidity in this post

back to hockey....Where will Gormley end up do you think?

Brett Hull did the same thing for both his Cup rings, he jumped ship to a team that was in a position to win in Dallas (99) and Detroit (02).

Does it make his rings any less important, debatable I guess, but I do get what you mean. Lots of examples of guys who came in a put the team over the proverbial hump to win it all.
- LeftCoaster

How about Hossa? Got to the finals with Pitt (vs Det) and lost. Then jumped ship to Det and got the finals (vs Pit) and lost, again. Then jumped ship to Chicago where he won and became a part of this modern "Chicago Dynasty" team and looks like he'll be a Blackhawk for the rest of his career. How do you characterize a guy like that???

So much stupidity in this post
- rangerdanger94

What if he changes his mind? Does he then become an intellectual?

Doan is a loser

If Toews gets "credit" for being a "winner", then the opposite is true of Doan

He's a passenger on a perennially bad team in the middle of nowhere collecting a paycheck

When winning doesn't matter to you, you're name is Shane Doan
- RoloTahmasee

No, YOU'RE name is Shane Doan!

Haven't you written numerous blog want the Coyotes to part with Doan? Take a stand and stick with for once in your life.
- tomburton99

If you read that blog you will see that he addressed your statement on Doan. I'm glad to see James is reflective and objective with certain subjects.

And I take issue with your "take a stand and stick with it for once in your life" statement, and further suggest you refresh yourself with the CoC of this site and in particular rule #5...please read between the lines here.

Haven't you written numerous blog want the Coyotes to part with Doan? Take a stand and stick with for once in your life.
- tomburton99

If you read that blog you will see that he addressed your statement on Doan. I'm glad to see James is reflective and objective with certain subjects.

And I take issue with your "take a stand and stick with it for once in your life" statement, and further suggest you refresh yourself with the CoC of this site and in particular rule #5...please read between the lines here.
- Makita

Lol

Haven't you written numerous blog want the Coyotes to part with Doan? Take a stand and stick with for once in your life.
- tomburton99

If you read that blog you will see that he addressed your statement on Doan. I'm glad to see James is reflective and objective with certain subjects.

And I take issue with your "take a stand and stick with it for once in your life" statement, and further suggest you refresh yourself with the CoC of this site and in particular rule #5...please read between the lines here.
- Makita

Ok higher up, thanks. So no cursing, not personal attacks, no inflammatory language and this gets a warning. . Sorry that I think James is a bit hypocritical seemingly every other blog on almost every topic. Excuse me for highly offending. Good stuff. I'd be afraid to find out what would happening if I did anything that actually went against the CoC.

Ok higher up, thanks. So no cursing, not personal attacks, no inflammatory language and this gets a warning. . Sorry that I think James is a bit hypocritical seemingly every other blog on almost every topic. Excuse me for highly offending. Good stuff. I'd be afraid to find out what would happening if I did anything that actually went against the CoC.
- tomburton99

It's hilarious because anyone with half a brain can see that James' sole purpose of any blog he writes is to troll and antagonize people. He lives to bait people into attacking him.

Doan is a loser

If Toews gets "credit" for being a "winner", then the opposite is true of Doan

He's a passenger on a perennially bad team in the middle of nowhere collecting a paycheck

When winning doesn't matter to you, you're name is Shane Doan
- RoloTahmasee

But what if winning matters to you, but only on your own terms? That's more respectable in my opinion. I suspect I'm in the minority among people who write and/or follow professional sports, but I think 'win at all costs' people are kind of the worst.

Have you ever changed your mind in your life? Tanner has an opinion, you might not agree with it but atleast be respectful.

Great read, James!
- Bruiniak

Thanks

It's hilarious because anyone with half a brain can see that James' sole purpose of any blog he writes is to troll and antagonize people. He lives to bait people into attacking him.
- rangerdanger94

For that he's brilliant. He's getting blog hits, hockey blog hits in July. Cornering the market on that.

How about Hossa? Got to the finals with Pitt (vs Det) and lost. Then jumped ship to Det and got the finals (vs Pit) and lost, again. Then jumped ship to Chicago where he won and became a part of this modern "Chicago Dynasty" team and looks like he'll be a Blackhawk for the rest of his career. How do you characterize a guy like that???
- GstrangWondah

I think Hossa was the reason, or at least an integral one, for why those team's made the Cup. I think he's played in five finals and all of them he was a huge part of.

Hossa is a first ballot Hall of Famer and the premier defensive forward of his generation. He is one of my favorite players of all time and I don't think Bourque ditching the Bruins at age 39 is even close to the same thing.

We don't normally agree but today we do. Thanks good write up!

I think Hossa was the reason, or at least an integral one, for why those team's made the Cup. I think he's played in five finals and all of them he was a huge part of.

Hossa is a first ballot Hall of Famer and the premier defensive forward of his generation. He is one of my favorite players of all time and I don't think Bourque ditching the Bruins at age 39 is even close to the same thing.
- James_Tanner

They were both chasing a dream, I've got no issues with either or how they won. Doan has decided playing in Phoenix is the most important thing to him, which I ASSUME has a lot to do with family and their stability.

But what if winning matters to you, but only on your own terms? That's more respectable in my opinion. I suspect I'm in the minority among people who write and/or follow professional sports, but I think 'win at all costs' people are kind of the worst.
- James_Tanner

Why do we all need the same definition of success? Different people have different priorities.

For some it is winning, for some it is making the most money, for others it might be family life or stability. No one has to be the worst. Except PhD students - they are the WORST.

"Face it: Bourque might as well not even have won a cup at all. He basically won it on a technicality".

Great blog Tanner. In addition to everything you said, it's not too bad for Doan living in Scottsdale. If you've been there during hockey season, it's an awfully nice place. You get to golf after practice every day. His family has grown up there. Prices are cheaper. The top state income tax rate is 4.54%. The weather is brutal in the summer. But between November and April it's perfect. And he'll have a job with the Coyotes for the rest of his life if he wants it. I'm pretty sure those are the reasons he hasn't chased a Cup somewhere else. Who wants to leave his family in paradise to go to some winter hellhole?

"Face it: Bourque might as well not even have won a cup at all. He basically won it on a technicality".


- Panthers88

Please revert back to rules 4 and 5, thank you.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/rules.php

I think Hossa was the reason, or at least an integral one, for why those team's made the Cup. I think he's played in five finals and all of them he was a huge part of.

Hossa is a first ballot Hall of Famer and the premier defensive forward of his generation. He is one of my favorite players of all time and I don't think Bourque ditching the Bruins at age 39 is even close to the same thing.
- James_Tanner

I thought the whole point was about loyalty? That's why I brought up Hossa and how it's an interesting case in comparison as it's the extreme opposite of Shane Doan in the sense that he jumped around for three seasons until he "got it right" with Chicago.

Bourque is a Hall of Famer and one of the best Dmen to have ever laced them up. He also made a significant contribution to the Avs cup win (was a long time ago... I remember watching it but I don't remember how integral he was, but he had 10 points in 21 playoff games... not bad for a Dman). He was loyal to the Bruins for 21 seasons. At the end of his career, it was time for Ray and the B's to move on and Ray got one last shot at fulfliling a dream, i.e. winning a cup and the B's got a return on that asset. Win-win. Not like he moved on as a UFA. It's ridiculous imo to devalue such a feat and criticize his loyalty.

EDIT: the more I think about it, the more I think comparing Doan's end of career decision is best compared to somebody like Alfredsson or Sundin, as they were all UFAs and decided to jump ship for their final seasons.

Today @ 12:42 PM ET
Doan is a loser

If Toews gets "credit" for being a "winner", then the opposite is true of Doan

He's a passenger on a perennially bad team in the middle of nowhere collecting a paycheck

When winning doesn't matter to you, you're name is Shane Doan

A lot of great players play for teams and never win a championship. Toews wouldn't have done squat without the rest of his teammates helping him win. Even he would tell you that.

This was an interesting/thought provoking read. Nice work James.

Id disagree with the statement that was something like he might as well have not won it. He was a big time player for that team, and one could argue they dont win without him. I dont think that is a fair statement to Bourque, as i think he played alot of games that year for the Avs. Do Hossas cups not count for CHI because he didnt start his career there?

Id also like to look at it from the other side of the coin. If a player stays with a team for so long yet the team does not provide them with players to compete for a cup, than the loyalty to the player should be questioned. A player who puts in 10 years for a team then leaves shouldn't have his loyalty insulted

Great blog James. Doan's a Beast! A great leader, And I think the Doan haters wish he was on their team.

Loyalty is great and becoming a rarity in the league. Guys who stay with one franchise do get some benefits like stability for their families. But Doan is a class act.

I don't really begrudge the guys who aren't loyal and I don't blame the guys who want to play for a contender when they start running out of time.

That said, (frank) Ray Bourque! Still heartbroken over 2001...