Seems like the Hawks are definitely making a strong push

@MarkDivver
Stan Bowman in Foxboro again tonight watching Jimmy Vesey.
- tomcho

Hawks trying to "talk" to Vesey through the media. Good work PR machine.

If they can't actually speak to him, try to send a message through the social world.

I can see the Leafs being hit with a tampering case if he signs there with his Dad and Bro in the organization.

Anyone else (Hawks included) is a long shot for Nashville. I don't think they have much of a case.

Poile, he didn't want to sign with you... so you traded his rights. He's signing somewhere else, get over it.

When Kevin Hayes signed with NY, his bro Jimmy was with another organization and there was a lot of chatter about what was being said to him; there wasn't a peep on tampering by Stan.

Great post Ty. Stan knows exactly what he is doing. Buffalo traded a 3rd round pick for Veseys rights after the kid stiffed Nashville. Murray, their smug, smart a-- GM thought he would sign him at around the draft. Instead, Vesey is committed to going to free agency. Stan is "scouting him". He has not given one interview where he has mentioned Vesey by name.

Scouting another teams player, in this case an Unsigned player, is not illegal.

Buffalo gave it their best shot and it appears, for now at least, their pitch is in purgatory.

Hopefully Vesey gets to August 15 and Stan closes the deal. It might not happen, but don't stand in the corner, fail to look at the prettiest girl at the dance, then ask her dance when the song is over. At least let her know you are looking at her, or in this case Vesey. Simple psychology really.

Great post Ty. Stan knows exactly what he is doing. Buffalo traded a 3rd round pick for Veseys rights after the kid stiffed Nashville. Murray, their smug, smart a-- GM thought he would sign him at around the draft. Instead, Vesey is committed to going to free agency. Stan is "scouting him". He has not given one interview where he has mentioned Vesey by name.

Scouting another teams player, in this case an Unsigned player, is not illegal.

Buffalo gave it their best shot and it appears, for now at least, their pitch is in purgatory.

Hopefully Vesey gets to August 15 and Stan closes the deal. It might not happen, but don't stand in the corner, fail to look at the prettiest girl at the dance, then ask her dance when the song is over. At least let her know you are looking at her, or in this case Vesey. Simple psychology really.
- Omahawk

It unfortunately goes deeper than that.

There are a lot of NHL front offices watching this situation - and worried about their own players that they have drafted and helped to develop.

There is a growing feeling that college players may go this route even more in the near future - and it won't be the lower revenue teams that benefit from it.

Columbus felt there was definitely tampering last year with Mike Reilly, Nashville has made their case about Vesey behind the scenes. If this continues, it will become yet another embarrassment to a league that just can't get out of it's own way.

I know Wiz went through the rules of college eligibility earlier in the blog, what I have been told is a majority of GMs around the league want to see more of a punitive measure against the team that poaches one of their top picks - compensatory second round picks don't cut it in return.

The model in baseball is forfeiting your first round pick when signing another team's top free agent - the NHL GMs would like to see something like this in the near future - before this gets out of hand.

Marcus Johanssen, 46 points last season, just got an AAV of $4.75mil.....Panarin is as good as gone unless Crow's entire cap hit is traded....

Great post Ty. Stan knows exactly what he is doing. Buffalo traded a 3rd round pick for Veseys rights after the kid stiffed Nashville. Murray, their smug, smart a-- GM thought he would sign him at around the draft. Instead, Vesey is committed to going to free agency. Stan is "scouting him". He has not given one interview where he has mentioned Vesey by name.

Scouting another teams player, in this case an Unsigned player, is not illegal.

Buffalo gave it their best shot and it appears, for now at least, their pitch is in purgatory.

Hopefully Vesey gets to August 15 and Stan closes the deal. It might not happen, but don't stand in the corner, fail to look at the prettiest girl at the dance, then ask her dance when the song is over. At least let her know you are looking at her, or in this case Vesey. Simple psychology really.
- Omahawk

Neither is scouting your own players which is why he was in Foxboro last night

Marcus Johanssen, 46 points last season, just got an AAV of $4.75mil.....Panarin is as good as gone unless Crow's entire cap hit is traded....
- EnzoD

Panarin isn't going anywhere, need to stop worrying about that

Panarin isn't going anywhere, need to stop worrying about that
- vabeachbear

I would have thought that Arizona had the money and his friend but now that Tik has gone back to khl..... lil Arti's here to stay.

Arti

I would have thought that Arizona had the money and his friend but now that Tik has gone back to khl..... lil Arti's here to stay.

Arti
- hocktock

He still has a closer (I think) friend under the Arch.

There are built in advantages for the Team that draft College guys. They retain there rights for 4 years compared to only 2 for Canadian players so that allows them to evaluate them longer and not sign guys that they do not want. They can also let them come in and burn a year on ELC which other teams cannot do. The problem with compensating teams that don't sign there NCAA guys is what if a guy turns out to be no good. Should you compensate a team because they drafted poorly? You cannot make them go back in the draft at 22 or 23. You cannot punish them for wanting to get a education, Were talking about 2 kids per year and they are usually late bloomers. I think its fine. The reason we lost hayes was because he had a bad year his JR year and got into trouble and both parties felt one more year would be good for him and hawks knew if he blew up this could happen and they traded his brother. Hawks could have singed him after his Jr year and did not. Every year there are drafted players that say they do not want to sign with a team and when they don't the team gets nothing (unless they trade there rights)

He still has a closer (I think) friend under the Arch.
- StLBravesFan

I believe you're right. Panarin and Tarasenko are really good buddies.

My fear is that the Blues will snag him if Bowman simply cannot afford to get a new contract done over the next year. I know the Blues have their own cap issues, but they're not as bad as the Hawks issues. So if the Hawks know they can't clear enough cap space to re-sign Panarin, wouldn't a viable option be to trade him while his value is high to get some valuable assets back?

I would guess he would net 1-2 NHL-ready players and/or mix of top prospects and/or high draft picks. If this is truly the situation the Hawks see themselves in, it would be in their best interest to trade Panarin out of the division, if not the conference, or at the very least block the rival Blues from getting him.

I may be inaccurate with my understanding of the Blues cap situation, so sorry if I am jumping to conclusions with this post.

I believe you're right. Panarin and Tarasenko are really good buddies.

My fear is that the Blues will snag him if Bowman simply cannot afford to get a new contract done over the next year. I know the Blues have their own cap issues, but they're not as bad as the Hawks issues. So if the Hawks know they can't clear enough cap space to re-sign Panarin, wouldn't a viable option be to trade him while his value is high to get some valuable assets back?

I would guess he would net 1-2 NHL-ready players and/or mix of top prospects and/or high draft picks. If this is truly the situation the Hawks see themselves in, it would be in their best interest to trade Panarin out of the division, if not the conference, or at the very least block the rival Blues from getting him.

I may be inaccurate with my understanding of the Blues cap situation, so sorry if I am jumping to conclusions with this post.
- AEL_Fox

First if all he's a RFA, 2nd no one has made an offer sheet to Kucherov probably best forward on the Bolts, 3rd if he wanted to play with Tarasenko he would of signed with the Blues in the first place.

Like Tommy Waddle says, guys let's slow our roll, there's no need to Panik

Panarin isn't going anywhere, need to stop worrying about that
- vabeachbear

Hey Beach...you'd like to hope that, but we felt similarly about Saad and look what happened. These guys want to get paid.

I still think the Vesey thing is a pipe dream...but Stan is camping out up there and making his presence felt. So we'll see what happens.

Panarin isn't going anywhere, need to stop worrying about that
- vabeachbear

Seriously...getting old. If this guy wants stupid money, let someone else be stupid and the Hawks can trade him or take the compensation

Seriously...getting old. If this guy wants stupid money, let someone else be stupid and the Hawks can trade him or take the compensation
- PatShart

Yep. If he wants $7M + and the Hawks don't want to hand out another huge contract, then trade and get a HAUL from whoever wants him. Worst case scenario of course.

Seriously...getting old. If this guy wants stupid money, let someone else be stupid and the Hawks can trade him or take the compensation
- PatShart

Agree with this to the max

Yep. If he wants $7M + and the Hawks don't want to hand out another huge contract, then trade and get a HAUL from whoever wants him. Worst case scenario of course.
- 93Joe

He is worth 7 million and that is closer to a fair contract then Seabs at 7 or Kruger at 3. Move Craw and Kruger and we have room for panarin.

First if all he's a RFA, 2nd no one has made an offer sheet to Kucherov probably best forward on the Bolts, 3rd if he wanted to play with Tarasenko he would of signed with the Blues in the first place.

Like Tommy Waddle says, guys let's slow our roll, there's no need to Panik
- BetweenTheDots

We kane NOT help panik! This team is nothing to crow about! Never mind they're media darlings, we need a 1LW and probably another one too too. If the hockey gods have a hart, man, then maybe we'll get Vesey! Otherwise come playoffs they'll ride out on the hossa they came in on, and that would be blad....

He is worth 7 million and that is closer to a fair contract then Seabs at 7 or Kruger at 3. Move Craw and Kruger and we have room for panarin.
- kmw4631

If he goes somewhere else, he won't be playing with Kane - who makes everyone around him more productive.

I believe you're right. Panarin and Tarasenko are really good buddies.

My fear is that the Blues will snag him if Bowman simply cannot afford to get a new contract done over the next year. I know the Blues have their own cap issues, but they're not as bad as the Hawks issues. So if the Hawks know they can't clear enough cap space to re-sign Panarin, wouldn't a viable option be to trade him while his value is high to get some valuable assets back?

I would guess he would net 1-2 NHL-ready players and/or mix of top prospects and/or high draft picks. If this is truly the situation the Hawks see themselves in, it would be in their best interest to trade Panarin out of the division, if not the conference, or at the very least block the rival Blues from getting him.

I may be inaccurate with my understanding of the Blues cap situation, so sorry if I am jumping to conclusions with this post.
- AEL_Fox

Agree that if he were traded you would qet a big return for him, the issue still lies with the cap and what players come back. Obviously you are wanting high-end young players and high-pick ELC prospects, which may help with pressing the reset button on annual turnovers, until they are up for bigger contracts as well.

Highly doubtful someone offer sheets him, but there's a reason it's in the CBA and some have used it. I can't recall but it's a boatload of picks if you are talking $6+mil and he signs it. Picks don't do a whole lot to help you fill the roster void immediately, but could allow someone from FA... even though we would then be missing 2xLW's.

He is worth 7 million and that is closer to a fair contract then Seabs at 7 or Kruger at 3. Move Craw and Kruger and we have room for panarin.
- kmw4631

I am a big Seabrook fan and I don't necessarily mind the contract, yet, of course. I personally think he rebounds this season and plays well as long as he isn't playing lookout for the younger D guys.

However, I think as John stated a while ago that the front office is really going to be careful now when it comes to big contracts. So next year you are probably correct, IMO, that Crawford and Kruger would be moved to make room for Panarin. Unless I'm mistaken, the priority on these three core guys would be
Seabrook > Crawford > Kruger (in terms of importance) also on who would most likely be traded first.

But aside from all of that skepticism of next year... Here's to Vesey and Fortin signing!

He is worth 7 million and that is closer to a fair contract then Seabs at 7 or Kruger at 3. Move Craw and Kruger and we have room for panarin.
- kmw4631

If Panarin doesn't hit his big bonuses this season and/or they can be attributed to this season instead of next season that will be close to $3 million in cap space. If there's $3 million in cap growth that will be enough to re-sign Panarin. If not Stan can move Kruger and free up the required cap space. Given how the past few summers have gone I am still bracing myself for the Bread Man's departure, but I am trying to be hopeful that Stan finds a way to keep him.

He is worth 7 million and that is closer to a fair contract then Seabs at 7 or Kruger at 3. Move Craw and Kruger and we have room for panarin.
- kmw4631

I'd say pump the breaks a bit and see how he does in his second full season.

I'm not saying he's worth 7M just yet.

I am a big Seabrook fan and I don't necessarily mind the contract, yet, of course. I personally think he rebounds this season and plays well as long as he isn't playing lookout for the younger D guys.

However, I think as John stated a while ago that the front office is really going to be careful now when it comes to big contracts. So next year you are probably correct, IMO, that Crawford and Kruger would be moved to make room for Panarin. Unless I'm mistaken, the priority on these three core guys would be
Seabrook > Crawford > Kruger (in terms of importance) also on who would most likely be traded first.

But aside from all of that skepticism of next year... Here's to Vesey and Fortin signing!
- 93Joe

Agreed.

Vesey and Fortin would be great signings, especially considering the draft picks Stan's traded away and the team needs to make up. Who knows when these guys will make an impact, but the more prospects the team has the better.

Yep. If he wants $7M + and the Hawks don't want to hand out another huge contract, then trade and get a HAUL from whoever wants him. Worst case scenario of course.
- 93Joe

We are looking at a salary that will require serious compensation from the team offer sheeting him. I would make him a reasonable offer -he either accepts or we get compensatory picks much greater in value than a quality for quantity trade. This is not like a UFA situation.
BTW I just removed my Mark Lazerus twitter book bar link this morning. Looks like he has switched to politics.

Hawks are in a no lose situation with Panarin.

He is an RFA, they have him signed for this year, if he gets offer sheeted the Hawks get a crap ton of picks, if he wants too much money the Hawks get great value in return.

But most importantly.....worry about next year next year. The stagnant cap era has changed the dynamic for many contract negotiations, and will eventually impact them all.