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- mdw7413

but we have always been talking about a long term deal and arb is for 1 or 2 so wtf is your point

but we have always been talking about a long term deal and arb is for 1 or 2 so wtf is your point
- mrn22

The point is 4.75 is there starting offer, which is always their highest. So even at a long term deal it shouldn't be above 5.

If they are willing to do 4 for a 2 year deal, you don't thing they will do 4.5 for 4?

The point is 4.75 is there starting offer, which is always their highest. So even at a long term deal it shouldn't be above 5.

If they are willing to do 4 for a 2 year deal, you don't thing they will do 4.5 for 4?
- mdw7413

It's tough though cause after 2 years he is a UFA. You always have to overpay a bit to buy out UFA years.

That said I still hope my deal gets done.

It's tough though cause after 2 years he is a UFA. You always have to overpay a bit to buy out UFA years.

That said I still hope my deal gets done.
- TPC

I get that, still think if its over 5, thats just stupid money.

It's tough though cause after 2 years he is a UFA. You always have to overpay a bit to buy out UFA years.

That said I still hope my deal gets done.
- TPC

ya that's the point.. don't wanna just walk him into free agency. have to over pay to buy some years up. I wont pretend to know what the real difference is between that and the arb deal. mdw could be right that it shouldn't take much more than 250k per year but it could be more like 750k-1mil per for all we know

The point is 4.75 is there starting offer, which is always their highest. So even at a long term deal it shouldn't be above 5.

If they are willing to do 4 for a 2 year deal, you don't thing they will do 4.5 for 4?
- mdw7413

UFAs are ALWAYS overpaid. Every player and agent knows this. That's why if you lock a player up during years they can be UFAs or you essentially "buy" their UFA years, those specific years will be significantly higher.

Kreider has 2 RFA years left. So let's say the contract is:
Year 1: 4
Year 2: 4.5
Year: 3-5: 5.5

Total: 25M over 5 years

I get that, still think if its over 5, thats just stupid money.
- mdw7413

I think any time you are going longer term like that, you have to make a projection on the player -- i.e., maybe he's not worth $5 million right now, but what will he worth in years 3-5 of a deal for instance.

Personally, the cap will continue to rise and if he gets paid $5 million long term, I don't think that is a drastic overpayment. Of course, I am basing that assumption on the fact that he will marginally progress to a guy that you can count on to give you 25-28 goals a year (which if true would be worth it). If he clears 30, then you are into a real good contract. Which is where the projection comes into play in determining how much you are willing to pay him long term.

ya that's the point.. don't wanna just walk him into free agency. have to over pay to buy some years up. I wont pretend to know what the real difference is between that and the arb deal. mdw could be right that it shouldn't take much more than 250k per year but it could be more like 750k-1mil per for all we know
- mrn22

Well I was giving him an extra 500k.

If it goes to arbitration I have to assume they will meat somewhere in the middle and thye should pay those 2 years. In two years if he stays exactly the same I'm guessing they could still lock him up for 5-5.25. so really the only risk is if he does score 30 in the next 2 years. By then Nash will be gone, Girardi will be bought out, Cap will probably go up, so it will be easier to overpay a bit.

UFAs are ALWAYS overpaid. Every player and agent knows this. That's why if you lock a player up during years they can be UFAs or you essentially "buy" their UFA years, those specific years will be significantly higher.

Kreider has 2 RFA years left. So let's say the contract is:
Year 1: 4
Year 2: 4.5
Year: 3-5: 5.5

Total: 25M over 5 years
- rangerdanger94

Just my opinion, if they locked him into a 5 year/$25 million deal, I don't think they would regret it (at least not too much), and could end up loving the deal in years 3-5. The only way they would truly regret that type of deal is if he either regressed (or didn't improve even marginally).

New blog up, all Kreider, all the time

I think any time you are going longer term like that, you have to make a projection on the player -- i.e., maybe he's not worth $5 million right now, but what will he worth in years 3-5 of a deal for instance.

Personally, the cap will continue to rise and if he gets paid $5 million long term, I don't think that is a drastic overpayment. Of course, I am basing that assumption on the fact that he will marginally progress to a guy that you can count on to give you 25-28 goals a year (which if true would be worth it). If he clears 30, then you are into a real good contract. Which is where the projection comes into play in determining how much you are willing to pay him long term.
- Pete V

True, but lets say this next year he scores 30, assuming he takes a 2 year arbitration deal, they could extend him in season or during the last year of his contract. Everyone just assumes he will become a ufa, or the Rangers would let him.

Well I was giving him an extra 500k.

If it goes to arbitration I have to assume they will meat somewhere in the middle and thye should pay those 2 years. In two years if he stays exactly the same I'm guessing they could still lock him up for 5-5.25. so really the only risk is if he does score 30 in the next 2 years. By then Nash will be gone, Girardi will be bought out, Cap will probably go up, so it will be easier to overpay a bit.
- mdw7413

Is this a two year arbitration hearing or one? I don't think I've ever seen a two year arbitration hearing, but I know they are available.

Well I was giving him an extra 500k.

If it goes to arbitration I have to assume they will meat somewhere in the middle and thye should pay those 2 years. In two years if he stays exactly the same I'm guessing they could still lock him up for 5-5.25. so really the only risk is if he does score 30 in the next 2 years. By then Nash will be gone, Girardi will be bought out, Cap will probably go up, so it will be easier to overpay a bit.
- mdw7413

Can't let him get to unrestricted free agency. Maybe he'd extend for 5.25 with us as a UFA, or maybe he signs in Buffalo when Buffalo offers 6M per year, or maybe he takes 5M from Tampa to enjoy the sun and play tax free, or maybe he takes the same offer we give him but with Chicago to win a Cup, or he goes back to Boston which is his home, or LA decides to overpay...etc. etc.

Can't let him get to UFA.

Schwartz got 5 years @ 5.35, Killorn 7 years @ 4.45 and Johansson 3 years @ 4.58. Someone remember what those guys were asking?

Is this a two year arbitration hearing or one? I don't think I've ever seen a two year arbitration hearing, but I know they are available.
- Pete V

If the player files for arbitration, the team can select whether they'd like to accept the award as a 1 year or 2 year deal

I think the trade is good for both sides and I hope Mika does well for you guys. At the end of the day, I think the thing we got that's most important is abstract: Brass's enthusiasm. Our club needs that badly, as our group slips into a kind of ho-hum indifference way too easily. It will be fun to see how it all pans out. God I miss hockey this time of year. Cheers.