Only a complete moron would agree to a fight in that situation. The Flyers had nothing to gain.
- Feanor

I completely disagree. When challenged, answer the challenge. I'm still baffled by those that think that accepting a challenge to a fight, and then subsequently winning the fight, was a factor in the Flyers losing that game.

I completely disagree. When challenged, answer the challenge. I'm still baffled by those that think that accepting a challenge to a fight, and then subsequently winning the fight, was a factor in the Flyers losing that game.
- MJL

I would maybe find it plausible if he lost the fight but he manhandled him. The fight was not the reason they lost but somehow has grown to be the defining moment of that game.

When it comes to Weber, I think analytics folks under-rate him and eye test people over-rate him.

Analytics folks seem to see a better producing Dion Phaneuf. Non-analytics folks seem to see some kind of Chris Pronger out there. I don't think Weber is anywhere near Pronger, especially in terms of hockey sense and ice vision, but he's not terrible.

My concerns, listed here before, are that Weber's skating could be an issue(one that Pronger mitigated with his amazing hockey smarts & vision), that Montreal lacks a Roman Josi or Ryan Suter to pair with Weber and Weber being 4 years older than Subban.

That said, I expect Montreal to be a playoff team next season, because Price should be fully healthy. Before he was hurt, Montreal was one of the best teams in the NHL. If he is fully healthy and at the same level he has been, they'll be a successful team
- Jsaquella

I'm so (frank)ing glad that Nashville matched.

I'm so (frank)ing glad that Nashville matched.
- Tomahawk

nah...
we could have had weber for a few years then traded him for subban

I completely disagree. When challenged, answer the challenge.
- MJL

So a player should fight every single time another player challenges him? That's retarded.

I'm so (frank)ing glad that Nashville matched.
- Tomahawk

You never know.

If they would have won a cup with Weber would we be so disappointed?

They have had some good drafts so they are in a good spot now but we don't know what would have happened.

I would maybe find it plausible if he lost the fight but he manhandled him. The fight was not the reason they lost but somehow has grown to be the defining moment of that game.
- J35Bacher

Talbot going against a better fighter knowing he would get beaten is what fired his teammates up. Lose the battle, win the war.

Talbot going against a better fighter knowing he would get beaten is what fired his teammates up. Lose the battle, win the war.
- Feanor

It had nothing to do with it.

Biron makes a stop. Flyers score another goal.

The fight didn't change the game. The Flyers not executing lost them the game

So a player should fight every single time another player challenges him? That's retarded.
- Feanor

In most cases yes. As with everything, there are exceptions. Nothing is absolute. In that case, Carcillo was absolutely correct in excepting the challenge, in my opinion

Talbot going against a better fighter knowing he would get beaten is what fired his teammates up. Lose the battle, win the war.
- Feanor

What changed the outcome of the game was how the Pens raised their level of play, and the Flyers did not answer. The Flyers play was why they lost.

The Pens raised their level of play in direct response to the fight. A player smarter than Carcillo wouldn't have accepted the challenge with his team ahead 3-0, and definitely wouldn't have showboated after it.

It had nothing to do with it.

Biron makes a stop. Flyers score another goal.

The fight didn't change the game. The Flyers not executing lost them the game
- J35Bacher

The fight galvanized the other team.

Daniel Carcillo gave the revved-up fans even more reason to cheer when he squared off against Talbot early in the second. Carcillo sent Talbot to the ice with a couple hard rights and the Flyers' bench and crowd went wild.

Perhaps that served as a wake-up call for the Penguins, however. They controlled the game the rest of the way.

"It seems like it's what got us going," Gonchar said.

In most cases yes. As with everything, there are exceptions. Nothing is absolute. In that case, Carcillo was absolutely correct in excepting the challenge, in my opinion
- MJL

youtube video
- Pixote Andolini

i might make this my alarm clock

Zibanejad can also play wing. I'd do just because I think Zibanejad can be a better player than Schenn down the road.
- Jsaquella

I did say I'd heavily consider it. That he's 2 years younger plays a part, with perhaps a bit more room to grow. And he does play center. I am Team Trayden....I would just want to see what else was out there. Personally, Zib for Schenn isn't a trade that makes me jump.

- YuenglingJagr

Cracked myself up also when I looked at it.

In that specific incident, I agree with what Carcillo did.

Cracked myself up also when I looked at it.

In that specific incident, I agree with what Carcillo did.
- MJL

Absolutely.

I dont see him that way. You are right the key is to ADD a piece to the top 9 to truly improve...but I still think being stronger down the middle is better than stronger on the wing. I do really love Schenn on the PP too...I think hes an understated part of the PP
- YuenglingJagr

Yes, center is more important than wing. But Zib is quite sheltered and placed in scoring roles on Ottawa. He sees most of his time with guys like Ryan and Hoffman. Would he get that here swapping in whatever spare parts our 3rd line is? Really, I'm just not sure he's that good and that this hypothetical trade indeed makes us a better, deeper team short or long term. We would have to move Couturier down, I think, to improve the team. And we are all loathe to see Coots back with lesser linemates. He also only has 1 more RFA year (I think) than Schenn. I'm ambivalent, what else can I say?

Yes, center is more important than wing. But Zib is quite sheltered and placed in scoring roles on Ottawa. He sees most of his time with guys like Ryan and Hoffman. Would he get that here swapping in whatever spare parts our 3rd line is? Really, I'm just not sure he's that good and that this hypothetical trade indeed makes us a better, deeper team short or long term. We would have to move Couturier down, I think, to improve the team. And we are all loathe to see Coots back with lesser linemates. He also only has 1 more RFA year (I think) than Schenn. I'm ambivalent, what else can I say?
- Mononoke

Have to consider the long term view and the fit, besides just looking at a player for player viewpoint. I'm in the same boat. Wouldn't be excited about it.

- Pixote Andolini

They should have scored the OT winner on that Superman play.
Actually, it never should have gotten to that point.

I would maybe find it plausible if he lost the fight but he manhandled him. The fight was not the reason they lost but somehow has grown to be the defining moment of that game.
- J35Bacher

Which is ridiculous and I have thought that way all along.

The Flyers had a 3 goal lead in that game and its the guy that won the fight who caused them to lose. How about Biron should have stopped any of those shots, the defense shoudl have showed up from the 2 period on, the offense should have continued to score?

Nope, Dan Carcillo cost them the game.

http://www.thehockeynews....-the-Pens-to-victory.html

Talbot going against a better fighter knowing he would get beaten is what fired his teammates up. Lose the battle, win the war.
- Feanor

I disagree.
The Pens played better over the second half and the Flyers played worse than they had in the first half.

Exactly how does Carcillo winning a fight cause Biron to give up 4 goals from the second period on?

The Pens started playing better as soon as the fight was over. It wasn't a coincidence. The fight served no purpose for the Flyers other than stoking Carcillo's bloated ego. Biron gave up four goals; which ones were bad goals?

Guys, it was 6 years ago.

give it a rest.

Guys, it was 6 years ago.

give it a rest.
- PepinoPamplemousse

It's July man....just let it go