hmm.. thats what my wife said? I'd rather have a good wine...
- Delryk

Just messing with you. I've been slowly switching wine myself but there are times where beer is the only thing that will do. Like softball games, fishing etc

and some cap space
- senstroll

1 less contract on the books also.

In Tanner's recent blog has Gardiner has an elite number 1.
Comparing him to Keith.

How did we miss this?
- Fakepartofme

THe same way we missed on Laine. By talking about only Matthews.

Just messing with you. I've been slowly switching wine myself but there are times where beer is the only thing that will do. Like softball games, fishing etc
- systemtool

Yeah. Wine sits much better with me the next day (I don't get hangovers typically, but not having over 3L of fermented crap in my gut is always better!)... that said, a few of us headed to one of the local lakes here yesterday, and a cooler full of beer is always the go-to for that occurrence....

Yeah. Wine sits much better with me the next day (I don't get hangovers typically, but not having over 3L of fermented crap in my gut is always better!)... that said, a few of us headed to one of the local lakes here yesterday, and a cooler full of beer is always the go-to for that occurrence....
- lumlums

You went drinking and diving...

Yeah. Wine sits much better with me the next day (I don't get hangovers typically, but not having over 3L of fermented crap in my gut is always better!)... that said, a few of us headed to one of the local lakes here yesterday, and a cooler full of beer is always the go-to for that occurrence....
- lumlums

Amen brother.

THe same way we missed on Laine. By talking about only Matthews.
- systemtool

Dammit guys, we need to smarten up.

THe same way we missed on Laine. By talking about only Matthews.
- systemtool

Yo, the HERO charts show that Gardiner > Rielly.

All the proof is need.

Yo, the HERO charts show that Gardiner > Rielly.

All the proof is need.
- BetterCallSaul

For some yes.
that's what people use to argue Weber is over the hill.

Yo, the HERO charts show that Gardiner > Rielly.

All the proof is need.
- BetterCallSaul

The fact that the chart shows gardiner is better than keith is the best proof I've seen yet that the chart is worthless

In Tanner's recent blog has Gardiner has an elite number 1.
Comparing him to Keith.

How did we miss this?
- Fakepartofme

if anyone continues to take subtle jabs at any blogger they will be banned from here on out

i'm tired of this BS and if you continue to do it i will ensure you will not be able to post at all for a long time.
- Dozzer

Wield that mighty power! Warriorrrrrrssssssss

You went drinking and diving...
- bixll

It was my first time really swimming in a while (I'm not counting floating in the Caribbean with beer in hand )... it was good to get back out at it

It was my first time really swimming in a while (I'm not counting floating in the Caribbean with beer in hand )... it was good to get back out at it
- lumlums

both are awesome...

- PlatosRepucklic

Been looking at some of those HERO charts. So far Gardiner is better defensively that Suter, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Hedman.

Been looking at some of those HERO charts. So far Gardiner is better defensively that Suter, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Hedman.
- HealthyScratch6

Holy crap, we have to start paying him more then.

For some yes.
that's what people use to argue Weber is over the hill.
- Fakepartofme

It's just a way of representing data for him over the years. Around 2012/13 there was a marked increase in the number of shots against him when at 5v5. This was also around the time that Suter stopped being his primary defensive partner. That said, his points totals show that he's still an offensive threat, particularly at 5v4. I don't think that there are many rational people however who think that Montreal are better off for this trade...

Morning, folks!

What's all this about sticking cobs of corn up your hoop to search for Pokemon?
- As_I_See_It

Amateurs. I was doing that before I even knew what Pokemon was!

Been looking at some of those HERO charts. So far Gardiner is better defensively that Suter, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Hedman.
- HealthyScratch6

the HERO charts are terrible.

Been looking at some of those HERO charts. So far Gardiner is better defensively that Suter, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Hedman.
- HealthyScratch6

So we could basically trade him for any player in the league based on the value of defensemen these days - the possibilities are endless.

In all fairness he did have a much better season but he isn't a 1-2

the HERO charts are terrible.
- Lucas.Neilson

In what way? It's data, pure and simple. It takes data points for a player and uses it to rank them relative to all other players in the same metric with a normalization for time. Now obviously each point is limited to just the particular thing that it measures, but it seems that folks forget that the data itself is completely inanimate - If you want to blame individual people for misusing them or being over-zealous with them that's one thing but that's on them.

So we could basically trade him for any player in the league based on the value of defensemen these days - the possibilities are endless.

In all fairness he did have a much better season but he isn't a 1-2
- BKups

I actually like gardiner last yea and think he could turn into a decent number 3 but to say he's one of the best defensive defenseman in the game is laughable.

Been looking at some of those HERO charts. So far Gardiner is better defensively that Suter, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Hedman.
- HealthyScratch6

so now all we need to do is convince bergevin that Gardiner is an EVEN BETTER fit than Weber on the basis of character

In what way? It's data, pure an simple. It takes data points for a player and uses it to rank them relative to all other players in the same metric with a normalization for time. Now obviously each point is limited to just the particular thing that it measures, but it seems that folks forget that the data itself is completely inanimate - If you want to blame individual people for misusing them or being over-zealous with them that's one thing but that's on them.
- lumlums

Yeah, arbitrary visualizations really are no substitute for regression analysis or machine learning. Where's all the hockey data scientists at?

Yeah, arbitrary visualizations really are no substitute for regression analysis or machine learning. Where's all the hockey data scientists at?
- TheMussel

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