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lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 18 @ 2:02 PM ET
it is what it is, but I don't think it's accurate at all or should be used for anything but the new Xbox or PS game
- Lucas.Neilson


And therein lies the inherent problem - lots of people will dismiss the data that they see if it doesn't meet their preset opinion or hypothesis. What it should do is prompt people to either look deeper into other ways in which the player they believe is better excels relative to the other, or consider changing their opinion if all data opposes their current viewpoint.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 18 @ 2:03 PM ET
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIAld2aBSV8/?hl=en



Cup day in toronto
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 18 @ 2:03 PM ET
Maybe the Sens do believe the Miracle run Playoff team is the True Team and not the mediocre miss the playoffs team of last season.

Trade is a wash for maybe this season, but past that could be a very bad deal for the Sens.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:05 PM ET
Maybe the Sens do believe the Miracle run Playoff team is the True Team and not the mediocre miss the playoffs team of last season.

Trade is a wash for maybe this season, but past that could be a very bad deal for the Sens.

- senstroll

Zib is pretty decent ive always felt - big body and getting better each year.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:07 PM ET
Process over results is a basic tenant of science

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- BestRapperAlive (location)


"tenant of science"
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 18 @ 2:07 PM ET
Maybe the Sens do believe the Miracle run Playoff team is the True Team and not the mediocre miss the playoffs team of last season.

Trade is a wash for maybe this season, but past that could be a very bad deal for the Sens.

- senstroll


Could be cap/cash considerations too. Brassard is 5 mil cap hit for the next 3 years on a contract that was pretty front loaded. Zib is rfa after next season and due for a big raise.

New york also ate this year's bonus on Brassard.

EDIT: Man the salary cap just takes the fun out of trades
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:08 PM ET
Zib is pretty decent ive always felt - big body and getting better each year.
- Lucas.Neilson


#6 overall..wow, cowen gone last year to us...#9 overall.

sens just dishing away former first round picks!
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
In what way? It's data, pure and simple. It takes data points for a player and uses it to rank them relative to all other players in the same metric with a normalization for time. Now obviously each point is limited to just the particular thing that it measures, but it seems that folks forget that the data itself is completely inanimate - If you want to blame individual people for misusing them or being over-zealous with them that's one thing but that's on them.
- lumlums


One of my favourite things about some of the advanced stats guys is that the whole basis of their perfect calculations is subject to considerable error and subjective interpretation.

Yet, somehow, they manage to express their numbers to tenths of a percent accuracy.

... and call the rest of us stupid and narrow minded.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:13 PM ET
Sens trade
- senstroll


I thought just last week Spatso told us Zibbanejihad was rounding into a great second line center.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 18 @ 2:16 PM ET
I thought just last week Spatso told us Zibbanejihad was rounding into a great second line center.
- Aetherial


He is.



.... For New York
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:16 PM ET
If you use all the metrics then you get problems with covariance. Ultimately, you just want to identify that correct independent variables that actually explain the results.

The methodology for the bolded shouldn't be arbitrary but mathematical in nature.

- TheMussel


Why shouldn't it be arbitrary, when you can state your conclusions and explain away anything counter to your conclusions as "luck"?

People like Tanner, Yost, Mirtle have yet to realize that you can't "prove" something is correct by simply saying it is, and discounting any dissenting evidence.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 18 @ 2:16 PM ET
I thought just last week Spatso told us Zibbanejihad was rounding into a great second line center.
- Aetherial


The young rebuilding aens
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:16 PM ET
He is.



.... For New York

- lumlums


senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
I thought just last week Spatso told us Zibbanejihad was rounding into a great second line center.
- Aetherial



I look forward to his insightful Analysis of the deal and how its a great move for the Sens
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
The young rebuilding aens
- systemtool


Bright future
Best player in the league
New Building
Owner who is transforming the city

It's (frank)ing utopia there man.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
I look forward to his insightful Analysis of the deal and how its a great move for the Sens
- senstroll


systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
Bright future
Best player in the league
New Building
Owner who is transforming the city

It's (frank)ing utopia there man.

- Aetherial


First phaneuf now this
MCharisma91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 07.10.2010

Jul 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
Incarcerated Bob IBN
‏@incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NHL RUMORS**
Rangers shopping Brassard
Canadiens will listen on @PKSubban1 (turned down 2 offers)
Devils called about RNH & Hall
12:00 PM - 7 Jun 2016

lol oh...
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
Incarcerated Bob IBN
‏@incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NHL RUMORS**
Rangers shopping Brassard
Canadiens will listen on @PKSubban1 (turned down 2 offers)
Devils called about RNH & Hall
12:00 PM - 7 Jun 2016

lol oh...

- MCharisma91

Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:22 PM ET

- AdamFrench

bob smokes the good stuff
WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone
Joined: 04.17.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
bob smokes the good stuff
- Lucas.Neilson


He does seem to have found a more reliable source of late
MCharisma91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 07.10.2010

Jul 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
He does seem to have found a more reliable source of late
- WingmanWillie


don't tell Lums
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jul 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
bob smokes the good stuff
- Lucas.Neilson



It helps for sure..
PlatosRepucklic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #TradeMarner
Joined: 11.07.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:36 PM ET
He does seem to have found a more reliable source of late
- WingmanWillie

Ek's Russian source?
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:36 PM ET
He does seem to have found a more reliable source of late
- WingmanWillie

Oregon, Washington State, Colorado...
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