You could argue that he has actually weakened his bargaining power.

He could have just called up Murray and said "Hey Buddy, I guess maybe I could help you out with that Kane problem. As a favour to you, since we're old friends..."

But now he's on record as being in the market for a specific type of player, which there are only a handful of in the world. He basically described Kane exactly.

Murray now has added leverage as his problem child is now a known commodity with at least 1 suitor.
- Vanoxy

The difference is - like Edmonton, for example - NEEDED a RHD and it was known league wide. We don't NEED a LW - we're "looking" for one, if we don't find one at a suitable price/trade, no biggy, we'll start the season as is. That's power. That's the difference.

He always references trading Garrison over Bieksa...this City have rioted if Bieksa was traded when he took over the job. Also, at the time Garrison was worse
- CanuckDon

...and they needed to free up cap space for a veteran goaltender as requested by the players.
Talk about beating a dead horse, FFS!

Interesting spin. Benning doesn't have to do anything. We can start the season with he current roster be be reasonably competitive. I don't see how letting the fanbase now we would like a left winger is weakening our position. We are lucky that our management group shares their plans with the fanbase (to an extent)
- CanuckDon

all he did was express, in public, the club wants to improve and be competitive and with the need for a little more grit and scoring, it would be great if they could add that by acquiring a winger who brought some grit and could score.

if there is any sort of pressure on JB, it is as much on any other team that has the player that fits the bill to look into a move if it improves their club

and they must have a fan base screaming at their gm to get this Sbisa character that is good in the scrums....

You could argue that he has actually weakened his bargaining power.

He could have just called up Murray and said "Hey Buddy, I guess maybe I could help you out with that Kane problem. As a favour to you, since we're old friends..."

But now he's on record as being in the market for a specific type of player, which there are only a handful of in the world. He basically described Kane exactly.

Murray now has added leverage as his problem child is now a known commodity with at least 1 suitor.
- Vanoxy

I read that and think that if JB inquired around the league about needing a scoring winger, other gm's would understand what he is in the market for...

I'm starting to think that if I was a gm for another team and I wanted to move one of my wingers, even if they didn't fit the bill exactly, or was interested in a certain Canuck player, I'd call JB.

I read that and think that if JB inquired around the league about needing a scoring winger, other gm's would understand what he is in the market for...

I'm starting to think that if I was a gm for another team and I wanted to move one of my wingers, even if they didn't fit the bill exactly, or was interested in a certain Canuck player, I'd call JB.
- hillbillydeluxe

My point was that everybody knows JB is in the market, so Murray can use that leverage in negotiations with other teams that call about Kane, thus spinning the situation back into the seller's favour.

It's clearly no big deal either way, not a deal breaker. I am just playing devil's advocate to Linden_4-Capt who was heaping praise on Benning.

Sometimes it's best to keep your cards close to your vest. The best trades are usually the ones nobody sees coming... even Eklund's insiders.

Benning must get pillaged at the annual GM poker tourney.

...and they needed to free up cap space for a veteran goaltender as requested by the players.
Talk about beating a dead horse, FFS!
- Marwood

There are plenty of reasons to complain if you are a Canucks fan...We have never won a cup. Our best players are 36. The league, refs and media hate us. But losing Garrison?

My point was that everybody knows JB is in the market, so Murray can use that leverage in negotiations with other teams that call about Kane, thus spinning the situation back into the seller's favour.

It's clearly no big deal either way, not a deal breaker. I am just playing devil's advocate to Linden_4-Capt who was heaping praise on Benning.

Sometimes it's best to keep your cards close to your vest. The best trades are usually the ones nobody sees coming... even Eklund's insiders.

Benning must get pillaged at the annual GM poker tourney.
- Vanoxy

Now I'll play devils advocate....Benning has zero interest in Kane he is merely driving the price up for divisional rivals

My point was that everybody knows JB is in the market, so Murray can use that leverage in negotiations with other teams that call about Kane, thus spinning the situation back into the seller's favour.

It's clearly no big deal either way, not a deal breaker. I am just playing devil's advocate because this is hb.

Sometimes it's best to keep your cards close to your vest. Benning must get pillaged at the annual GM poker tourney.
- Vanoxy

you are always selling or buying and sometimes both.

we keep hearing of teams that are going to face an rfa crunch, if they have some 2nd/3rd line wingers that might fit the bill that they know they can't protect or afford, this sounds like they should be selling their wares to JB as much as Murray would want another bidder for Kane.

whenever we hear of a trade and are disappointed with the return, people question if he talked to another team about another player. due diligence stuff.

nothing wrong with playing the devil's advocate. set goals or timelines, review, were they wise choices/could we have done better?

Now I'll play devils advocate....Benning has zero interest in Kane he is merely driving the price up for divisional rivals
- CanuckDon

If that's the case... brilliant.

He's playing the long con on this one. 3 years of his unpolished, awkward persona in the media was all a smokescreen to cost the Flames an extra 3rd rounder.

He's a maniacal genius.

I think the trades proposed aren't unreasonable, but that's probably why the Sabres will hold on to him. Wait for his value to go up. His on ice play is good, so if the return is sbisa and a second rate prospect, no thanks. No reason for us to get slower and older.

The Sabres are still better with Kane on the ice
- jcragcrumple

U won't be slower.
As for older the roster is so young most don't shave yet.
Experience is what is needed & a rugged defensive D man helps.

You could argue that he has actually weakened his bargaining power.

He could have just called up Murray and said "Hey Buddy, I guess maybe I could help you out with that Kane problem. As a favour to you, since we're old friends..."

But now he's on record as being in the market for a specific type of player, which there are only a handful of in the world. He basically described Kane exactly.

Murray now has added leverage as his problem child is now a known commodity with at least 1 suitor.
- Vanoxy

Leverage? Thats a laugher 😂😂
Kane is only worth what a team pays for him.

He always references trading Garrison over Bieksa...this City have rioted if Bieksa was traded when he took over the job. Also, at the time Garrison was worse
- CanuckDon

Both r overrated & over paid plugs then & now.

The difference is - like Edmonton, for example - NEEDED a RHD and it was known league wide. We don't NEED a LW - we're "looking" for one, if we don't find one at a suitable price/trade, no biggy, we'll start the season as is. That's power. That's the difference.
- Brooks_Light

Now thats how to spin what JB said👍👍

My point was that everybody knows JB is in the market, so Murray can use that leverage in negotiations with other teams that call about Kane, thus spinning the situation back into the seller's favour.

It's clearly no big deal either way, not a deal breaker. I am just playing devil's advocate to Linden_4-Capt who was heaping praise on Benning.

Sometimes it's best to keep your cards close to your vest. The best trades are usually the ones nobody sees coming... even Eklund's insiders.

Benning must get pillaged at the annual GM poker tourney.
- Vanoxy

I never said that he was doing this for Kane. I merely said that this is a brilliant move. Think about from a sellers perspective for a sec. Teams managers for the following teams
Pens 44 players signed -2.2 in cap space
Kings 46 players signed 29k in cap space
Sharks 45 players signed less then 1mil in cap space
Canadians 49 players signed 1.4 in caps space
Hawks 44 signed and 2.4 in cap space

These mangers need to move someone just to complete the roster and be cap compliant. Then you look at the upcoming Expansion draft and then there is only limited number of teams that are looking to add, I will offer to unload asap. Benning did not pigeon hole himself and say that he wants under 26 LEft winger that scored 20+ goals and has almost 100 pims. The simply said that he would like to add a gritty LW that scores to let Bear develop. This creates the buyers market. All JB has to do is sit back and listen to offers coming in. Then you make the decision that help your club the most. Buyers market.

I never said that he was doing this for Kane. I merely said that this is a brilliant move. Think about from a sellers perspective for a sec. Teams managers for the following teams
Pens 44 players signed -2.2 in cap space
Kings 46 players signed 29k in cap space
Sharks 45 players signed less then 1mil in cap space
Canadians 49 players signed 1.4 in caps space
Hawks 44 signed and 2.4 in cap space

These mangers need to move someone just to complete the roster and be cap compliant. Then you look at the upcoming Expansion draft and then there is only limited number of teams that are looking to add, I will offer to unload asap. Benning did not pigeon hole himself and say that he wants under 26 LEft winger that scored 20+ goals and has almost 100 pims. The simply said that he would like to add a gritty LW that scores to let Bear develop. This creates the buyers market. All JB has to do is sit back and listen to offers coming in. Then you make the decision that help your club the most. Buyers market.
- Linden_4_Capt

Creating the market is a skill.
JB has merely let it out he might be interested & will field offers.
Yes a buyers market is his position not forcing a trade from a weak position.

Holland is doing the same thing & using patience.

The difference is - like Edmonton, for example - NEEDED a RHD and it was known league wide. We don't NEED a LW - we're "looking" for one, if we don't find one at a suitable price/trade, no biggy, we'll start the season as is. That's power. That's the difference.
- Brooks_Light

There is very common tern in sales that goes "it is not the price but the value that determines the value" For example the value of a RHD for Edmonton was very high, they did not care about the price and they paid. The Value of a proven RW scorer was high for Canucks, so JB paid 6x6 for Erickson.
What he is doing with the LW position is he is effectively lowering the value. "We would like to add", "we are comfortable with starting the season with what we have". Low value but identified a desire. Now it is up to other teams to make an enticing offer and see if JB bites.

For all the flack ppl here give JB I'd bet 29'other GM's don't think of him so lightly.
Many here think JB fell off the turnip truck & know nothing much about his hockey background as a player up n til now. Back in the day when ppl knew what they knew from their own observations & did not get educated by todays media overload see more than whatvthe media feeds fans.

There is very common tern in sales that goes "it is not the price but the value that determines the value" For example the value of a RHD for Edmonton was very high, they did not care about the price and they paid. The Value of a proven RW scorer was high for Canucks, so JB paid 6x6 for Erickson.
What he is doing with the LW position is he is effectively lowering the value. "We would like to add", "we are comfortable with starting the season with what we have". Low value but identified a desire. Now it is up to other teams to make an enticing offer and see if JB bites.
- Linden_4_Capt

In economics its known as Supply & Demand that determines the market price.
JB is manipulating the LW market without being commital.
Yet to be seen how the marketplace will respond.

I never said that he was doing this for Kane. I merely said that this is a brilliant move. Think about from a sellers perspective for a sec. Teams managers for the following teams
Pens 44 players signed -2.2 in cap space
Kings 46 players signed 29k in cap space
Sharks 45 players signed less then 1mil in cap space
Canadians 49 players signed 1.4 in caps space
Hawks 44 signed and 2.4 in cap space

These mangers need to move someone just to complete the roster and be cap compliant. Then you look at the upcoming Expansion draft and then there is only limited number of teams that are looking to add, I will offer to unload asap. Benning did not pigeon hole himself and say that he wants under 26 LEft winger that scored 20+ goals and has almost 100 pims. The simply said that he would like to add a gritty LW that scores to let Bear develop. This creates the buyers market. All JB has to do is sit back and listen to offers coming in. Then you make the decision that help your club the most. Buyers market.
- Linden_4_Capt

Fair enough.
I used the Kane example, because that's what the current hot topic is, but the same argument could work for any prospective trade target.

The truth is, what Benning did isn't going to impact a potential deal one way or another.

As for creating a buyers market, I agree that is important, but the best GMs in sports don't use the media for that purpose. They work the phones and have constant ongoing dialogue with other GMs, and they have lists, like the one you formulated, so they know which teams to target for a cap-dump deal.

Benning needs to learn to keep his business behind closed doors. Making statements like this only get fans like us talking about what he's going to do, and leads to a letdown if he doesn't pull the trigger. That's part of the reason they scored so poorly on the PR poll last week.

I like most of his moves of late, but his public way of going about his business could use some tweaking. I had hoped the fine he got at the draft might help him figure that out.

I will give him credit though, his openness does give us fodder for debates like this, which is fun to kick around.

I cant figure out the Brassard trade. Did NYR just get a younger version of Brassard plus a higher pick than they gave up?

U won't be slower.
As for older the roster is so young most don't shave yet.
Experience is what is needed & a rugged defensive D man helps.
- Nighthawk

Murray has yet to trade for somebody over 25, so I doubt he starts now. I think the price would be young, good assets and van is in a sort of slow rebuild (I think?) Where you would want to keep those assets.

That is unless Murray unconditionally wants him gone which I don't believe, although that's just my gut feeling. Personally I hope we keep him event though he's questionable off the ice bc I could see him really break out this year having played with O'Reilly and Eichel for a year

I cant figure out the Brassard trade. Did NYR just get a younger version of Brassard plus a higher pick than they gave up?
- NorthNuck

Basically but I think Brassard is a better player now. The 2nd seems unnecessary but as JB has shown they are overrated anyways....

Basically but I think Brassard is a better player now. The 2nd seems unnecessary but as JB has shown they are overrated anyways....
- belcherbd

I am more curious to know what NY is making room for?

I am more curious to know what NY is making room for?
- thundachunk

A LW that can score and has some grit.

PK workin on his 2nd career in Smashville...


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