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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 1:55 AM ET
He grabbed a woman by the throat and fondled another apparently. Doesn't look too good if the former is true - grabbing someone' boobage is one thing, but reacting violently to someone (in particular a woman), that is a much more serious issue
- Zogg

Do you have a friend that was high or drunk in abar and picked a fight. Again it is up to the law to see if he deserves to be punished ,all I am pointing out is people do crazy sh1t when they are high or drunk
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 18 @ 4:37 AM ET
None of those guys will bring what we need so we may as well just continue as is.
- VANTEL

That doesn't make sense though because according to the blog, the Canucks are looking for LW, so leaving things "as is" is the option that is least favourable to Benning. So it's either UFA or trade, and like I've been saying, I dont think the Canucks should make a trade because I dont see them having pieces to sacrifice to make it happen for a top 6 winger. It's not a bad thing, I still think they have a decent team, just doesnt seem like they can afford to lose any roster players or high picks at this time because they're rebuilding on the fly. A stop gap is the best option.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 6:04 AM ET
Sbisa and burros for Kane. Maybe throw in a fifth rounder for consistency.
Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jul 18 @ 7:52 AM ET
Jim Benning - turn on your Pokémon GO !!!


***Suddenly a Mike Hoffman appears***

throw a pokeball....and some draft picks...
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 18 @ 8:07 AM ET
I think the trades proposed aren't unreasonable, but that's probably why the Sabres will hold on to him. Wait for his value to go up. His on ice play is good, so if the return is sbisa and a second rate prospect, no thanks. No reason for us to get slower and older.

The Sabres are still better with Kane on the ice
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 18 @ 8:27 AM ET
Some want Kane, but not enough to actually give up anything for him.
- CubanBuffet


He's not easy to trade at this point because his value is most likely sh!t. I don't think he gets moved and he'll be a sabre for this season, maybe a deadline move for some playoff team that has cap space. If Murray wants to trade him he'll want to save face for the Winnipeg trade. At this point that trade isn't good for us.
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 18 @ 8:30 AM ET
Sbisa and burros for Kane. Maybe throw in a fifth rounder for consistency.
- kaptaan


No thanks.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 18 @ 9:00 AM ET
That doesn't make sense though because according to the blog, the Canucks are looking for LW, so leaving things "as is" is the option that is least favourable to Benning. So it's either UFA or trade, and like I've been saying, I dont think the Canucks should make a trade because I dont see them having pieces to sacrifice to make it happen for a top 6 winger. It's not a bad thing, I still think they have a decent team, just doesnt seem like they can afford to lose any roster players or high picks at this time because they're rebuilding on the fly. Kane is the best option.
- 13sundin13


Fixed.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:10 AM ET
I think the trades proposed aren't unreasonable, but that's probably why the Sabres will hold on to him. Wait for his value to go up. His on ice play is good, so if the return is sbisa and a second rate prospect, no thanks. No reason for us to get slower and older.

The Sabres are still better with Kane on the ice

- jcragcrumple

The point is if you are going to give up value you would be looking at other players in return. With Kane's reputation no one is giving up a lot of value. He might end up in Vegas at the end of the next season for free.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:13 AM ET
That doesn't make sense though because according to the blog, the Canucks are looking for LW, so leaving things "as is" is the option that is least favourable to Benning. So it's either UFA or trade, and like I've been saying, I dont think the Canucks should make a trade because I dont see them having pieces to sacrifice to make it happen for a top 6 winger. It's not a bad thing, I still think they have a decent team, just doesnt seem like they can afford to lose any roster players or high picks at this time because they're rebuilding on the fly. A stop gap is the best option.
- 13sundin13

Not interested. Keep the cap space in case a deal comes along later. We have enough stop gaps
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 18 @ 9:40 AM ET
Young kids are bars , a lot can go wrong

I agree the rest does not warrant DB status

- VANTEL

He missed practice because he got hammered at the NBA all Star game and was suspended by the Sabres
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:42 AM ET
He missed practice because he got hammered at the NBA all Star game and was suspended by the Sabres
- sbroads24

He will learn very soon or fade into the sunset .
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jul 18 @ 11:09 AM ET
What everyone here failed to see is how much JB has learned. He has created a buyers market. Instead of identifying a player he wants and thus giving all the leverage to the seller, he identified a positional need and now hold the power as a buyer as teams call him to unload their LW. We have the cap space and in some depth and abundance in certain positions that we can leverage.

Well Done JB Well Done. (said with the Wisers Clap)
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 18 @ 11:12 AM ET
I am not saying it is an excuse . I am merely pointing out when people drink or do dugs they do stupid things
- VANTEL

Preaching to the quire.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 18 @ 11:17 AM ET
Do you have a friend that was high or drunk in abar and picked a fight. Again it is up to the law to see if he deserves to be punished ,all I am pointing out is people do crazy sh1t when they are high or drunk
- VANTEL

He won't be punished.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 18 @ 11:23 AM ET
What everyone here failed to see is how much JB has learned. He has created a buyers market. Instead of identifying a player he wants and thus giving all the leverage to the seller, he identified a positional need and now hold the power as a buyer as teams call him to unload their LW. We have the cap space and in some depth and abundance in certain positions that we can leverage.

Well Done JB Well Done. (said with the Wisers Clap)

- Linden_4_Capt

When he gets us a top six LW for a reasonable price he gets a clap.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 18 @ 11:25 AM ET
The point is if you are going to give up value you would be looking at other players in return. With Kane's reputation no one is giving up a lot of value. He might end up in Vegas at the end of the next season for free.
- VANTEL


My guess is the Sabres will still protect him. Eichel and Reinhart don't need to be protected and O'Reilly, okposo and moulson are the only forwards who due to contract have to be protected. Honestly I don't think Murray is in a hurry to get rid of him like everyones says. I'm prettys sure he'll play out his contract unless the Sabres are far out of the playoffs by the deadline and some GM gives a crazy offer (unlikely)
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 18 @ 11:37 AM ET
My guess is the Sabres will still protect him. Eichel and Reinhart don't need to be protected and O'Reilly, okposo and moulson are the only forwards who due to contract have to be protected. Honestly I don't think Murray is in a hurry to get rid of him like everyones says. I'm prettys sure he'll play out his contract unless the Sabres are far out of the playoffs by the deadline and some GM gives a crazy offer (unlikely)
- jcragcrumple

You may be the minority. Where there is smoke...
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
What everyone here failed to see is how much JB has learned. He has created a buyers market. Instead of identifying a player he wants and thus giving all the leverage to the seller, he identified a positional need and now hold the power as a buyer as teams call him to unload their LW. We have the cap space and in some depth and abundance in certain positions that we can leverage.

Well Done JB Well Done. (said with the Wisers Clap)

- Linden_4_Capt

let's not get ahead of ourselves. JB has to make a few solid trade related moves in a row to earn the clap of approval with the head nod.

frankly, i'm still irked about trading Garrison instead of Bieksa at the time he took over, giving Sbisa $$ over the medium term, and all the asset management issues related to Hamhuis, Vrbata, etc...
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 11:39 AM ET
My guess is the Sabres will still protect him. Eichel and Reinhart don't need to be protected and O'Reilly, okposo and moulson are the only forwards who due to contract have to be protected. Honestly I don't think Murray is in a hurry to get rid of him like everyones says. I'm prettys sure he'll play out his contract unless the Sabres are far out of the playoffs by the deadline and some GM gives a crazy offer (unlikely)
- jcragcrumple

Sabres won't expose him, but a club like Vancity that might only have given up Burrows, Sbisa and a pick, might expose him since they got a lot of benefit out of just clearing the cap space by exposing him and the picks and players let go for him were easily replaced...
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
Sabres won't expose him, but a club like Vancity that might only have given up Burrows, Sbisa and a pick, might expose him since they got a lot of benefit out of just clearing the cap space by exposing him and the picks and players let go for him were easily replaced...
- kaptaan


My feeling is that because Murray took a risk on him, he wouldn't expose himself to the criticm from unloading him for pennies on the dollar, which is how a deal for burrows or sbisa would look
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jul 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
let's not get ahead of ourselves. JB has to make a few solid trade related moves in a row to earn the clap of approval with the head nod.

frankly, i'm still irked about trading Garrison instead of Bieksa at the time he took over, giving Sbisa $$ over the medium term, and all the asset management issues related to Hamhuis, Vrbata, etc...

- kaptaan

You must have been a phenom at your birth. Because I am certain you started running as soon as you were born. FFS. He is a new GM and is learning from his mistakes. Some GM's keep making the same mistakes. Would you rather have MG still and his sell the farm to win an extra round in playoffs? Or his handing out of NMC like it was candy on Halloween?
Vanoxy
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!!!!
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jul 18 @ 12:07 PM ET
What everyone here failed to see is how much JB has learned. He has created a buyers market. Instead of identifying a player he wants and thus giving all the leverage to the seller, he identified a positional need and now hold the power as a buyer as teams call him to unload their LW. We have the cap space and in some depth and abundance in certain positions that we can leverage.

Well Done JB Well Done. (said with the Wisers Clap)

- Linden_4_Capt



You could argue that he has actually weakened his bargaining power.

He could have just called up Murray and said "Hey Buddy, I guess maybe I could help you out with that Kane problem. As a favour to you, since we're old friends..."

But now he's on record as being in the market for a specific type of player, which there are only a handful of in the world. He basically described Kane exactly.

Murray now has added leverage as his problem child is now a known commodity with at least 1 suitor.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 18 @ 12:13 PM ET
You must have been a phenom at your birth. Because I am certain you started running as soon as you were born. FFS. He is a new GM and is learning from his mistakes. Some GM's keep making the same mistakes. Would you rather have MG still and his sell the farm to win an extra round in playoffs? Or his handing out of NMC like it was candy on Halloween?
- Linden_4_Capt


He always references trading Garrison over Bieksa...this City have rioted if Bieksa was traded when he took over the job. Also, at the time Garrison was worse
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 18 @ 12:15 PM ET
You could argue that he has actually weakened his bargaining power.

He could have just called up Murray and said "Hey Buddy, I guess maybe I could help you out with that Kane problem. As a favour to you, since we're old friends..."

But now he's on record as being in the market for a specific type of player, which there are only a handful of in the world. He basically described Kane exactly.

Murray now has added leverage as his problem child is now a known commodity with at least 1 suitor.

- Vanoxy

Interesting spin. Benning doesn't have to do anything. We can start the season with he current roster be be reasonably competitive. I don't see how letting the fanbase now we would like a left winger is weakening our position. We are lucky that our management group shares their plans with the fanbase (to an extent)
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