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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:08 PM ET
You should know by now that tanner looks at charts, and doesn't actually watch the games. Decision making and poise aren't measure on those fantasy stats, therefore they do not exist.
- leonkennedy



Actually they are measured in thise charts.
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jul 17 @ 2:08 PM ET
James Tanner: PLUS/MINUS: Defending the Taylor Hall Trade + Jake Gardiner's Elite Edition
Your best weekly NHL article that includes an obsession with post-punk 80s music.

- James_Tanner


Still going on about Taylor Hall.... please feel free to analyze the Flames and leave the Oil alone.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:12 PM ET
Still going on about Taylor Hall.... please feel free to analyze the Flames and leave the Oil alone.
- prismo



Pass.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
Content is king my man, and he has amazing content. All I care about.

As for the charts being flawed, they aren't.
Just because you don't get the results you wanted or thought you'd get, doesn't mean you measured wrong.

In all ways that we have to measure defenseman impact, Jake Gardiner is defensively elite. Some guys score more, but he limits the shots, which is just as good. Also, on an improving team, I would wager he'll score more.

- James_Tanner


Yes they are. Which is why you used a hero chart.

I could go pull other charts like a vollman bubble chart or some other fancy that shows Gardiner isn't even top 60 in the Nhl. You love to cherry pick your stats that's for sure.

Or I could go to hockey reference and show that Gardiner has nearly identical similarity scores to guys like Colin White, Dennis OBrien and Fedor Tyutin.

NJDevils42630
New Jersey Devils
Location: Cranford, NJ
Joined: 10.13.2014

Jul 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
Antoinne Vermette is a "top-six centre" ... as in, he's one of the top six centers on the Coyotes roster
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:25 PM ET
Antoinne Vermette is a "top-six centre" ... as in, he's one of the top six centers on the Coyotes roster
- NJDevils42630



Thats actually funny. Solid work
flamminghead
Calgary Flames
Location: As good as they are in the off, AB
Joined: 09.02.2009

Jul 17 @ 2:32 PM ET
Black Lives Matters brings attention to disproportionate force used against African Americans based on their race. That shouldn't be talked about because it increases racial tensions? Things should just remain the same? Unless you think the premise of Black Lives Matters is unfounded.If that's the case, your post makes total sense.
- Only_A_Ladd

More like disproportionate media coverage when a black is killed by the police as opposed to a white person. Although American police do show a bias against black people when it comes to pulling over vehicles and random pat downs, the statistics show that the bias is not there in instances where fatal force is applied. Every year in America more whites are killed by police than blacks. The higher rates of blacks being killed can be directly related to the highers rates of crime committed by black people. If you are a criminal you are more likely to be killed by a cop. Who could have figured that out?
flamminghead
Calgary Flames
Location: As good as they are in the off, AB
Joined: 09.02.2009

Jul 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
I wish a player on the leafs would just grow a beard and say

"Watcha gonna do Lou?"

Stuff like that is so stupid

- TheGame316

Are the players at least allowed to have social media accounts? Pretty sure Flames players weren't allowed to have them when Darryl Sutter was in charge.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
Nationalism actually unites us. It's a shame it barely exists here in Canada. Maybe that's why you don't even know your neighbours' name here, meanwhile you are friends with you entire neighbourhood in Europe.The real force behind increasing divisiveness is globalism and destruction of the family unit, religion, community, culture and social fabric.

Take my word for it, countries without nationalism are much more divided than countries with.

- domi_legend


If nationalism is the reason you know your neighbours name then you might have a serious problem.

Globalism =/= increased division or destruction of the family unit, religion, community, culture and social fabric

Everything you post just sounds like uneducated drivel. And then I remember, this is sensnucksnocups alt I'm talking to.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jul 17 @ 2:40 PM ET
That isn't a quote from me. What are you on about dude? We disagree, leave it at that. Not interested in having this conversation with you. I don't like the Olympics. Especially the boring summer ones. Sue me.
- James_Tanner


Aside from women's beach volleyball, I'm with you.
flamminghead
Calgary Flames
Location: As good as they are in the off, AB
Joined: 09.02.2009

Jul 17 @ 2:43 PM ET
If nationalism is the reason you know your neighbours name then you might have a serious problem.

Globalism =/= increased division or destruction of the family unit, religion, community, culture and social fabric

Everything you post just sounds like uneducated drivel. And then I remember, this is sensnucksnocups alt I'm talking to.

- RonPielep

Honestly I think he has a point. I've lived in my house in Canada for almost a year and I don't know any of my neighbour's names. I kinda came to the conclusion that the image of a tightly knit neighbourhood community was a fairytale from times past.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 17 @ 2:47 PM ET
Honestly I think he has a point. I've lived in my house in Canada for almost a year and I don't know any of my neighbour's names. I kinda came to the conclusion that the image of a tightly knit neighbourhood community was a fairytale from times past.
- flamminghead

All depends on the person and the neighborhood.

We have lots of friendly neighbors and have block parties and kids all play in the culdesac together.

But I also know people like you that dont know anyone on there street.

Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:48 PM ET
More like disproportionate media coverage when a black is killed by the police as opposed to a white person. Although American police do show a bias against black people when it comes to pulling over vehicles and random pat downs, the statistics show that the bias is not there in instances where fatal force is applied. Every year in America more whites are killed by police than blacks. The higher rates of blacks being killed can be directly related to the highers rates of crime committed by black people. If you are a criminal you are more likely to be killed by a cop. Who could have figured that out?
- flamminghead


http://www.vanityfair.com...7/data-police-racial-bias

Statistics
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:59 PM ET
Prediction: Before October, Ben Bishop takes an unusual new interest in country music.


James: Bishop has a lower cap than Pekka by ~1 mm and he's UFA next year versus Pekka with 2 years left at 7 mm. Who takes Pekka, then? Surely not Tampa Bay.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 17 @ 3:04 PM ET
Honestly I think he has a point. I've lived in my house in Canada for almost a year and I don't know any of my neighbour's names. I kinda came to the conclusion that the image of a tightly knit neighbourhood community was a fairytale from times past.
- flamminghead


Times are changing that's for sure. To blame it all on a blanket term like globalism is just plain stupid, and frankly it is irresponsible. A large part of that is just the effect of technology and how it has caused such a difference among generations. There is also the fact that people aren't being systematically brain-washed by creationists anymore (or at least not to the same extent) and instead we encourage our youth to think independently and not restrict their construct of morality/reality to an old book written by humans a long time ago when things were a lot less civilized. Maybe the fact that religion in general is becoming less popular in Canada has to do with the decline of the 'traditional family unit; and the knowing your neighbours thing.

But blaming globalism is especially irresponsible because globalism has actually lifted hundreds of millions of human lives out of extreme poverty by helping to generate a middle class in places like China and India.
nikel
Buffalo Sabres
Location: las vegas, NV
Joined: 01.15.2013

Jul 17 @ 3:05 PM ET
Yes. Way younger. McDavid is better than any player you listed, better than anyone in the entire world. Significantly.

Other than Panarin, all the Hawks players you listed are superior to the Oilers players, but whatever, McDavid is the King. He's going to outscore the rest of the league by over 20 points is my prediction.

- James_Tanner


I think I've come to realize that you tend to value players based on what they will or COULD become, not on the player they are presently.

Yes, that Oil lineup is way younger, but youth doesn't necessarily trump experience, especially the experience of multiple successful Cup runs.

I'd also argue that there's a difference between being "better" and having more raw talent. McD has more raw talent than the players I've listed but in no ways is he better. For that to be true he'd have to find a way to turn that talent into success on the ice. I don't doubt he will but it's a process which is learned through experience ....btw, one of those steps is learning to protect oneself and not leave yourself vulnerable when streaking down ice, leading to serious injury.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 17 @ 3:06 PM ET
All depends on the person and the neighborhood.

We have lots of friendly neighbors and have block parties and kids all play in the culdesac together.

But I also know people like you that dont know anyone on there street.

- Iggysbff


Why are you so cynical all the time if you have such a fairytale lifestyle Iggy?
1theNex
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.25.2013

Jul 17 @ 3:11 PM ET
Why are you so cynical all the time if you have such a fairytale lifestyle Iggy?
- RonPielep



Wings and all?

Just playing Iggy 75% of you post give me a chuckle
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 17 @ 3:16 PM ET
Why are you so cynical all the time if you have such a fairytale lifestyle Iggy?
- RonPielep


You call that a fairytale?

Some might call that a nightmare.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 17 @ 3:19 PM ET
I am a guy who likes Jake Gardiner. But if he is that good. A bonifide number one. Why isn't Taylor hall lining up beside Matthews?

Because it's just not true...
Newgod77
Boston Bruins
Location: IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jul 17 @ 3:20 PM ET
Jake"click bait" Gardiner.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 17 @ 3:21 PM ET
Wow Tanner is right.

Hero chart shows Jake Gardiner is superior to Morgan Rielly.

Definitely a bet I would lose.

- Leafsandbolts



geez, lets look no further than Hero charts

flamminghead
Calgary Flames
Location: As good as they are in the off, AB
Joined: 09.02.2009

Jul 17 @ 3:30 PM ET
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

Statistics

- Only_A_Ladd

Yes blacks are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop and 5.2 times more likely to commit murder. The group as a whole has more interactions with police and consequentially will be the victim of police killings more often. There is a problem with police and the use of lethal force but it should be treated as a general problem rather than a racial one. Whenever you see movements like BLM it is always important to ask where is the money coming from and how are these people benefiting from the movement? The movement is designed to increase racial tensions and by the look of thing they are doing an excellent job.
bmoney411
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I don't care about being "better" . I care about building a cup contender." -Iggysbff, ON
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 17 @ 3:35 PM ET
Good god you sound bitter lol. Gardiner is underrated I agree. But to say he's a number 1 and elite is a little bit over the top. Are you seriously saying he's on the same level as Hedman, P.K., or Doughty because that's what elite implies.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jul 17 @ 3:48 PM ET
ya'll (frank)ing love it.
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