Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY Joined: 10.07.2010
Jul 14 @ 7:18 PM ET
OK. So Team Canada selected Weber because he is not as good as Subban? Or is Weber a more reliable, established and experienced defensemen? Why would you load your national team with players you feel are not simply the best the country has to offer? - The Rocket
There's the rub. I'm sure team Canada thinks that they'd rather have all those guys over Subban. But that doesn't make them right. On an individual/small, close group level perception is reality. "Groupthink" is hell of a way to run a railroad. Just look at my post with the video of Chiarelli and the Bruins front office decide to trade Seguin.
Either way I think it'll be a moot point as far as the WC, because the only team I see that can even come close to challenging them is Team NA. I doubt Subban or any other one player makes that much of a difference on Team Canada.
There's the rub. I'm sure team Canada thinks that they'd rather have all those guys over Subban. But that doesn't make them right. On an individual/small, close group level perception is reality. "Groupthink" is hell of a way to run a railroad. Just look at my post with the video of Chiarelli and the Bruins front office decide to trade Seguin.
Either way I think it'll be a moot point as far as the WC, because the only team I see that can even come close to challenging them is Team NA. I doubt Subban or any other one player makes that much of a difference on Team Canada. - Wetbandit1
Same goes for Hall,if he is so elite all of a sudden why is he not on the world cup team?
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Jul 14 @ 7:32 PM ET
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Habs are in the process of determining who they'll bolster analytics department with.
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About Weber, last time I checked, he was part of Team Canada's roster...not sure what fallacy you're talking about. He's part of the team. There's no denying that part. He's actually good enough to be on that team.
As for the experts, are you talking about Berkshire? The same experts that keeps on hammering that Eller's adv. stats. are good enough for him to be a top line player?
Please elaborate. - WaterBoy
Not having your contract renewed is the same thing as being fired. They no longer want you to work for them, but they have PR people who tell them to just wait for the year to end and then not renew. A lot of executives "resign" instead of being fired. Companies try and save face as often as possible. Or like actors, their contracts aren't renewed. Look at the lady from Fox who said Ailes(sp?) harassed her and she declined, so he didn't renew her contract. It's all the same thing.
Same goes for Hall,if he is so elite all of a sudden why is he not on the world cup team? - oilpatch
Because the people who run the team have incorrectly left him off it, most likely because he doesn't come from a "winning culture." It's total crap and if they were at all interested in icing the best team, he would have been one of their first picks.
If the team wasn't stacked to the rafters with talent it would matter, but they could pick names from a hat and still win by a mile - which is why cheering for them and watching international hockey is boring.
Oiler fans have been calling him elite for years. Are you now saying it was all lies? - PugsNotDrugs
He doesn't play for the Oilers anymore so he sucks and now that Larsson does, he's a great defenseman.
As for the worst trade in history well at this point it likely don't even crack the top 5 for most teams and surely doesn't for any of the original 6. I mean Adam Oates and Paul MacLean for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney. The Roy trade for a bag of magic beans. Yashin for Chara, Spezza and Muckalt. Markus Naslund for Stojanov. The Cam Neely trade. That Gilmour trade to Toronto. The Marcel Dionne trade to L.A.
Just so many brutal trades have been done that we all know the results now. This Hall/Larsson looks very bad but no way I would ever say it's the worst in history at this point with so many that have already proven to be horrible deals.
This is Larsson's draft profile during the time of the draft.
Some notable quotes from this video.
"Great offensive ability". (Hmm, interesting... might want to look into that Tanner)
"Greater Hockey IQ and offensive ability than Hedman".
"Steal of the draft".
"Ability to defend in 1v1 situations and the ability to contain".
"Awesome vision".
"Being able to create breakout situations".
This is Larsson's draft profile during the time of the draft.
Some notable quotes from this video.
"Great offensive ability". (Hmm, interesting... might want to look into that Tanner)
"Greater Hockey IQ and offensive ability than Hedman".
"Steal of the draft".
"Ability to defend in 1v1 situations and the ability to contain".
"Awesome vision".
"Being able to create breakout situations". - EdmHockeyMan
“He is a big, strong play-maker who sees the ice very well,”
"He is going to be a dominating, play-making center,”
“He is a guy who looks to make the play rather than shoot himself. He’ll be a guy who can get 100 assists and 20-25 goals in the NHL.”
"is a world-class player,”
“He is a good skater, a tenacious player, very skilled with the puck and possesses excellent size, strength and work ethic.”
"He is the brightest young prospect developed in the Czech Republic since Jaromir Jagr, ”
“He is a cross between Mike Modano and Sergei Fedorov,”
Can you guess who that scouting report was for? Not saying Larsson will end up the same but scouting reports are often all great for players at the top of the draft.
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY Joined: 10.07.2010
Jul 14 @ 9:00 PM ET
“He is a big, strong play-maker who sees the ice very well,”
"He is going to be a dominating, play-making center,”
“He is a guy who looks to make the play rather than shoot himself. He’ll be a guy who can get 100 assists and 20-25 goals in the NHL.”
"is a world-class player,”
“He is a good skater, a tenacious player, very skilled with the puck and possesses excellent size, strength and work ethic.”
"He is the brightest young prospect developed in the Czech Republic since Jaromir Jagr, ”
“He is a cross between Mike Modano and Sergei Fedorov,”
Can you guess who that scouting report was for? Not saying Larsson will end up the same but scouting reports are often all great for players at the top of the draft. - dcz28
Jakob Klepis? I have no idea. I'm guessing he was drafted somewhere in the mid to late 90's given the names of Modano and Federov for comps. Patrik Stefan?
Jakob Klepis? I have no idea. I'm guessing he was drafted somewhere in the mid to late 90's given the names of Modano and Federov for comps. Patrik Stefan?
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Jul 14 @ 9:19 PM ET
Going to miss Larsson. A real shame to see him go just as he's settling in. Deboer really gave the kid a hard time. Never complained and was always ready to play when he got in at such a young age. Scored the goal that really propelled us to such success in the 2012 playoffs. Huge goal on the road down a goal in the 3rd.
What do you mean all of a sudden? He is third in the NHL in 5v5p/60 over the last four years.
That means he has been an ELITE player for at least FOUR years. - James_Tanner
What i mean by that is....in the eyes of just about all media Hall was never considered a superstar until he was traded for Larson. then this became a terrible trade for the oil.
Dont get me wrong i have been a Hall fan for a long time,but changes needed to be made in the land of oil.Sorry to disagree ,but Hall is not an elite player like some think
I have another scouting report although this one is not a pre-draft one for people to guess. I did say when the Larsson/Hall trade happened that it reminded me of this guy.
Assets: Logged huge minutes for his team. Had all the physical tools every organization looks for in a top defenseman. Could play his best hockey against top lines and also filled in on the power play point. Excelled on the penalty kill.
Flaws: Didn't make an impact with his physicality, despite the size to do so. Could be somewhat erratic at times with the puck on his stick. Didn't produce the offense expected of him when he was chosen...
Career Potential: Quality minute-munching defenseman.
A lot of this does sound like Larsson right now aside from a few things. I guess I can give a clue for this one...He also played for the Oilers after being a high draft pick.
“He is a big, strong play-maker who sees the ice very well,”
"He is going to be a dominating, play-making center,”
“He is a guy who looks to make the play rather than shoot himself. He’ll be a guy who can get 100 assists and 20-25 goals in the NHL.”
"is a world-class player,”
“He is a good skater, a tenacious player, very skilled with the puck and possesses excellent size, strength and work ethic.”
"He is the brightest young prospect developed in the Czech Republic since Jaromir Jagr, ”
“He is a cross between Mike Modano and Sergei Fedorov,”
Can you guess who that scouting report was for? Not saying Larsson will end up the same but scouting reports are often all great for players at the top of the draft. - dcz28
I see what you are trying to say, but nonetheless, they were right about the offensive ability that he has. He won multiple awards for offensive play back when he was given powerplay time and minutes in the offensive zone back in Sweden.
His Hockey IQ is undoubtedly present whenever he is on the ice.
He is 2nd in the least amount of goals against per 60 minutes when he is playing 5v5 (Only person to beat him is Stralman). Don't even think for a second that this is because of Greene. Nope. Larsson did better than Greene in that category and in the category of shot suppression. As for Goals against per 60 minutes with consideration to the quality of teammates he plays and the relative difference along teammates, he is/has been in the top 3 in that category for the last 3 years.
Larsson also has a story to go behind those analytics as well. I always say "You cannot just paste analytics without assessing the background context. You have to consider the coaching, the supporting cast, and the positionary role in correlation with what was expected out of the player in situation x, y, and z." Larsson was expected to play a defensive role in NJ. He barely got any PP time. His average amount of PP time per game was about 10 seconds. He was relied on heavily in the defensive zone (70% of his zones starts were in the defensive zone).
Like I said before and after. At first, I was like NOOOO, not Taylor Hall. But once I did my research, I realized that there is a reason why Chia traded for Larsson. He HAS offensive potential to become a PP QB at the NHL level. He succeeded in that role back in Sweden, in the AHL, and in International play. In fact, his numbers for points per game in the AHL, International level, and back in Sweden are all higher than in the NHL. WHY? Because he actually got a good amount of time in the OFFENSIVE ZONE!
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY Joined: 10.07.2010
Jul 14 @ 9:39 PM ET
I have another scouting report although this one is not a pre-draft one for people to guess. I did say when the Larsson/Hall trade happened that it reminded me of this guy.
Assets: Logged huge minutes for his team. Had all the physical tools every organization looks for in a top defenseman. Could play his best hockey against top lines and also filled in on the power play point. Excelled on the penalty kill.
Flaws: Didn't make an impact with his physicality, despite the size to do so. Could be somewhat erratic at times with the puck on his stick. Didn't produce the offense expected of him when he was chosen...
Career Potential: Quality minute-munching defenseman.
A lot of this does sound like Larsson right now aside from a few things. I guess I can give a clue for this one...He also played for the Oilers after being a high draft pick. - dcz28
Jeff Petry? Smid? I thought maybe Vishnovsky, but I don't think he was a very high draft pick, nor picked by the Oilers.
I have another scouting report although this one is not a pre-draft one for people to guess. I did say when the Larsson/Hall trade happened that it reminded me of this guy.
Assets: Logged huge minutes for his team. Had all the physical tools every organization looks for in a top defenseman. Could play his best hockey against top lines and also filled in on the power play point. Excelled on the penalty kill.
Flaws: Didn't make an impact with his physicality, despite the size to do so. Could be somewhat erratic at times with the puck on his stick. Didn't produce the offense expected of him when he was chosen...
Career Potential: Quality minute-munching defenseman.
A lot of this does sound like Larsson right now aside from a few things. I guess I can give a clue for this one...He also played for the Oilers after being a high draft pick. - dcz28
Worst off season move : #1 Watching the Canadians WORST collapse off all time & watching the best player on the team , PK and Ellar taking the fall . Not the captain & not the coach , just the two players that Therrian didn't like! Bergevin sould have fired ALL the coaches , but he has his boys club , so he did what his buddy wanted . WORST offseason move was NOT FIRING THERRIAN !!!!!!!!
He doesn't play for the Oilers anymore so he sucks and now that Larsson does, he's a great defenseman.
