What, because they often play together and the rest of the team is mostly lacking possession-wise?

Still not sure what your point is. All 3 have proven to be individually strong possession players who can improve anyone they are with, and that includes when they are split up. They just happen to be 3 possession drivers carpooling together. Doesn't diminish their stats.
- Mononoke

I have 0 doubts that 3 possession driving players helped skew those stats, both in terms of their line and the rest of the team. But it's really just a critique of using the stat like that in general. Bottom line is the 3 have formed a very effective line in recent past

What would be your dream scenario of cap allocation by position?
- johm12

Pot is legal, everyone is allowed to be on LTIR, college is free, and everyone makes an equal salary

Yeah, it seems like CF is counting Lyubimov as being on the roster in the header, but then he's listed as a Non-Roster player. 13 + 7 + 2 = 22.



So if they give Lube an NHL job, Schenn $5m, and Manning $766,209 they would start the season with $1m in cap space.
- Feanor

Gotcha, I didn't catch that.

Yeah, it seems like CF is counting Lyubimov as being on the roster in the header, but then he's listed as a Non-Roster player. 13 + 7 + 2 = 22.



So if they give Lube an NHL job, Schenn $5m, and Manning $766,209 they would start the season with $1m in cap space.
- Feanor

Lube is gonna make that 4th line extra greasy

Apologist
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep.
- Jsaquella

A better response might have been "Sorry", but then you would have been at risk of being called Canadian.

Gotta love The Player Tribune


http://www.theplayerstrib...-cochlear-implants-story/
- jak521

Awesome story!

And he's top ten in the league for forwards in CF% Rel TM.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ort=PCTRelTM&sortdir=DESC
- Feanor

Bergeron is in another universe.....

had a dream that Provorov went to war with Hextall in the media because he has yet to come out and say he will be on the roster
- Crimsoninja

trouble maker....trade him

Pot is legal, everyone is allowed to be on LTIR, college is free, and everyone makes an equal salary
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah.. screw a cure for cancer and world peace..

Heeeeeyyyyyy...3 point and play drivers

I would LOVE if Jake playing on a third line similar to phil kessel...I am just not sure we have a center and wing that can allow them to become a truly effective 15-18 minute per night line
- YuenglingJagr

So you're saying we need another forward or two? Interesting idea... someone should have brought that up earlier.

I am leaving tomorrow for work for next 5 weeks. Hope nothing too big happens while I am gone. Maybe Hextall can put off a disappearing act and AMac will be gone.

Pot is legal, everyone is allowed to be on LTIR, college is free, and everyone makes an equal salary
- YuenglingJagr

also 3 day weekends

So you're saying we need another forward or two? Interesting idea... someone should have brought that up earlier.
- WheelSnipeCelly

Nothing I said suggested I think we need another top 6 forward and that scoring depth is an issue, like you said. My comment was based on the ceiling of Nick Cousins and the development of Scott Laughton. You are gonna have to be around for longer than a day to start sassing

i dont think it will be easy for him to surpass simmonds, if he can easily put up more than 30 goals and 60 points thats awesome. i also think with a full year on G's wing, Simmer can apprach 65/70 points. the system took awhile to click, but the second half of the year for pretty much everyone was better than the beginning. Simmer had 40 of his 60 points once the calendar hit 2016.
- sjk540

I think Schenn will easily become a better player than Simmonds. Schenn can pass and shoot the puck in tight areas. Simmonds is in more prime position to score on the PP. Is 2 years younger and already nipping at Simmonds heels.

If Voracek scored his usual 22 or 23 goals last season, the Flyers jump from 22nd in the NHL in goals to 14th. That's ahead of teams like St Louis, Anaheim and Minnesota.

The lack of scoring is an issue, but assuming a healthy year from Voracek and a return to career normal level of goals & shooting percentage, they'll be OK.

Add in a healthy season from Couturier at the pace he produced at in 2015-16, and a kid like Laughton or Cousins improving and they'll be even better. Not to mention Weise should be able to exceed White's output from last season, and Raffl and Read being able to produce even a little more than last year-not impossible if their roles and/or linemates improve and the "lack of scoring" isn't much of an issue at all.

I think Schenn will easily become a better player than Simmonds. Schenn can pass and shoot the puck in tight areas. Simmonds is in more prime position to score on the PP. Is 2 years younger and already nipping at Simmonds heels.
- roenick97

He may put up more/equal points, but I don't think he'll be able to combine that with the physicality that Simmonds brings. Neither one is a superstar, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't think Schenn's overall game will turn out better than Simmonds, but hopefully they both produce well for the Flyers for years to come.

If Voracek scored his usual 22 or 23 goals last season, the Flyers jump from 22nd in the NHL in goals to 14th. That's ahead of teams like St Louis, Anaheim and Minnesota.

The lack of scoring is an issue, but assuming a healthy year from Voracek and a return to career normal level of goals & shooting percentage, they'll be OK.

Add in a healthy season from Couturier at the pace he produced at in 2015-16, and a kid like Laughton or Cousins improving and they'll be even better. Not to mention Weise should be able to exceed White's output from last season, and Raffl and Read being able to produce even a little more than last year-not impossible if their roles and/or linemates improve and the "lack of scoring" isn't much of an issue at all.
- Jsaquella

STOP MAKING SENSE! FLYER SUCK! THEY ALL STINK AND CAN'T SCORE!!!

He may put up more/equal points, but I don't think he'll be able to combine that with the physicality that Simmonds brings. Neither one is a superstar, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't think Schenn's overall game will turn out better than Simmonds, but hopefully they both produce well for the Flyers for years to come.
- jmatchett383

I just worry that Schenn's good second half was a fluke. He's never shown a stretch of consistent play like that before, or at leats not for such an extended stretch. The production is there, but if they're going to make a serious commitment, then they need the Schenn who showed up in January and not the guy who was here before.

STOP MAKING SENSE! FLYER SUCK! THEY ALL STINK AND CAN'T SCORE!!!
- jmatchett383

I am sorry

I think Schenn will easily become a better player than Simmonds. Schenn can pass and shoot the puck in tight areas. Simmonds is in more prime position to score on the PP. Is 2 years younger and already nipping at Simmonds heels.
- roenick97

I hope you're right, because Simmonds is a pretty dam good player.

Simmonds was 15th among all NHL RW's in ES scoring.

I just worry that Schenn's good second half was a fluke. He's never shown a stretch of consistent play like that before, or at leats not for such an extended stretch. The production is there, but if they're going to make a serious commitment, then they need the Schenn who showed up in January and not the guy who was here before.
- Jsaquella

I always worry about guys with production spikes but not underlying stat spikes. We see it all the time where guys ride (perhaps) unsustainable stretches to bigger contracts than they are worth. Then the regression comes in. He scored more consistently, but he really didn't play more consistently than he has in years prior (his first half he actually underperformed from his norm, but so did the team, so take that with a grain of bath salts).

I really do prefer the 1 year deal. Schenn won't. And I don't know if Hexy wants to take the relationship souring route that is arbitration. But I do like the 1 year: show if it wasn't fluky, show if he can improve. If he doesn't, then his contract demands don't really go anywhere. If he produces again, then maybe it's a chance to use him this year and sell real high when guys like Konecny and Lindblom may be on the team. And he is still under control either way.

Gotcha, I didn't catch that.
- Jsaquella

I am sorry
- Jsaquella

I don't believe this at all.

If Voracek scored his usual 22 or 23 goals last season, the Flyers jump from 22nd in the NHL in goals to 14th. That's ahead of teams like St Louis, Anaheim and Minnesota.

The lack of scoring is an issue, but assuming a healthy year from Voracek and a return to career normal level of goals & shooting percentage, they'll be OK.

Add in a healthy season from Couturier at the pace he produced at in 2015-16, and a kid like Laughton or Cousins improving and they'll be even better. Not to mention Weise should be able to exceed White's output from last season, and Raffl and Read being able to produce even a little more than last year-not impossible if their roles and/or linemates improve and the "lack of scoring" isn't much of an issue at all.
- Jsaquella

Shush, you. We need to keep this to ourselves so we can say I toldjya so

I always worry about guys with production spikes but not underlying stat spikes. We see it all the time where guys ride (perhaps) unsustainable stretches to bigger contracts than they are worth. Then the regression comes in. He scored more consistently, but he really didn't play more consistently than he has in years prior (his first half he actually underperformed from his norm, but so did the team, so take that with a grain of bath salts).

I really do prefer the 1 year deal. Schenn won't. And I don't know if Hexy wants to take the relationship souring route that is arbitration. But I do like the 1 year: show if it wasn't fluky, show if he can improve. If he doesn't, then his contract demands don't really go anywhere. If he produces again, then maybe it's a chance to use him this year and sell real high when guys like Konecny and Lindblom may be on the team. And he is still under control either way.
- Mononoke

Yep. If he's willing to do a Kadri deal, sign him to a long term. It won't cripple & can be moved if need be.

I just can't be happy with Schenn over $5mm, and at that no more than 4 years.