Did he draft Kuznetsov?
- PhillySportsGuy

He drafted almost their entire team

Flyers have $6,116,209 in cap space with Schenn and Manning as RFAs scheduled for arbitration.



How many teams had five forwards pace for 50+ points last season?
- Feanor

With out looking I would say 5-10 teams. I dont know though.

I get that we get point production out of the top 6, but that doesnt mean we dont need them to score more goals..

Did he draft Kuznetsov?
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, he also drafted Tom Wilson.

I think as soon as you are losing or trading assets to get rid of bad contracts you are only compounding your mistake. With the trades we have seen in the last couple years, I don't see how they couldn't work out of those contracts some other way.

The two most obvious examples are Detroit moving back 4 spots to get rid of Datsyuk and the Flyers packaging VLC (Flyers retaining 50% and his TV) with Schenn
- YuenglingJagr

Both of those cases were for 1 year. Same with Grossmann. By next offseason, Hartnell will have 2 years left and Clarkson will have 3. It also helps them protect more important players.

Flyers have $6,116,209 in cap space with Schenn and Manning as RFAs scheduled for arbitration.


- Feanor

It's actually considerably more than that. They have about 7.6M in cap space with an open space for a forward and a defenseman.

That total includes 12 forwards and 6 defenseman. Schenn and Manning would be a potential forward and a D man added.

Both of those cases were for 1 year. Same with Grossmann. By next offseason, Hartnell will have 2 years left and Clarkson will have 3. It also helps them protect more important players.
- PhillySportsGuy

I am not suggesting they have to be the same exact trades. Vinny had 3 years left btw...they just got him to retire 2 years early. Either of them can get hurt and go on LTIR...they can retain 50% salary or find a third team to accept some salary. A trade is possible if another team doesnt accept their NMC.

It's actually considerably more than that. They have about 7.6M in cap space with an open space for a forward and a defenseman.

That total includes 12 forwards and 6 defenseman. Schenn and Manning would be a potential forward and a D man added.
- MJL

That depends on which 12 forwards and 6 defensemen you are using

I am not suggesting they have to be the same exact trades. Vinny had 3 years left btw...they just got him to retire 2 years early. Either of them can get hurt and go on LTIR...they can retain 50% salary or find a third team to accept some salary. A trade is possible if another team doesnt accept their NMC.
- YuenglingJagr

They could trade them to Toronto. Uncle Lou can make people just disappear.

It's actually considerably more than that. They have about 7.6M in cap space with an open space for a forward and a defenseman.

That total includes 12 forwards and 6 defenseman. Schenn and Manning would be a potential forward and a D man added.
- MJL

How did you arrive at that number?

I got to $6,116,209 by removing Brennan from capfriendly's roster. Removing Weal as well would only push the available space up to $6,766,209.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers

Yeah, he also drafted Tom Wilson.
- Tomahawk

He did make some good draft choices even beyond the top picks. But he also made some really boneheaded ones, not out of result but drafting logic. He fully presided over some President's Trophy winners. And some....not some President's Trophy winners lol. The biggest takeaway looking back at his regime was he was a man without a vision. His team was oozing out the eyeballs with skill. Truly breathtaking skill. So he doubles down on grit and toughness and "defensive" hockey. I don't think he really knew what he wanted or had the long term planning to achieve it.

I still think it won't happen, but the chances of AMac being taken went up a tick yesterday. For that, thank you, Mr. McPhee. Thank you.

I am not suggesting they have to be the same exact trades. Vinny had 3 years left btw...they just got him to retire 2 years early. Either of them can get hurt and go on LTIR...they can retain 50% salary or find a third team to accept some salary. A trade is possible if another team doesnt accept their NMC.
- YuenglingJagr

The Kings wouldn't have taken Lecavalier if he hadn't agreed to retire.

This exact scenario might not be available, but things similar to this would be.

Weird how Giroux, Voracek, and Raffl all rank highly on that list, huh?
- YuenglingJagr

What point are you driving at, Vin Diesel?

What point are you driving at, Vin Diesel?
- Mononoke

Family first

And that maybe there's a reason all three have a high corsi relative to the team

Seems like CF has an extra $925,000 on the Flyers cap compared to GF.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/philadelphia-flyers

It's also stupid and will likely set them back even more.

They should be offering to take albatross contracts for young talent and draft picks.
- PhillySportsGuy

So he admits Hinkie was right?!?! No way!

How did you arrive at that number?

I got to $6,116,209 by removing Brennan from capfriendly's roster. Removing Weal as well would only push the available space up to $6,766,209.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers
- Feanor

I dumped Brennan & Weal, too and got $7,691,209 in cap room:

I really see the 3rd line as being the issue...It isnt a top 6 bottom 6 thing for me. We have enough high end scorers and can actually make a very, very good top 6...but it always comes at the expense of the third line.

It either needs to be a guy stepping up and finding a home in the top 9 like I mentioned, or they need to wait it out for prospects. I dont think UFAs are the solution.
- YuenglingJagr

I believe it's not top 6, it's top 9 in today's NHL. Managed depth > top line/6 overload. Flyers don't exactly have the ability to do quite that yet, but I was just commenting on our top 6 -- as it is labeled -- being some kind of issue. We know who those players are. The issue is that the Flyers only have 2 real primary play drivers AND point producers. Jake and Giroux. It's why they need to be split. Really only Raffl is available to bump down to line 3 to get some better play driving at least. I'm more than OK with trying Laughts in the easiest role on the entire team: LW next to Jake and Coots. Then have Raffl doing his thang on the 3rd.

Realistically, they need to wait it out for prospects to really achieve it. I do think that something like Raffl-Cousins-Weise or Read-Raffl-Weise could have some surprising results as a stop-gap.

That depends on which 12 forwards and 6 defensemen you are using
- YuenglingJagr

Of course. Any off season look at a team's cap picture involves some projection of their lineup.

I dumped Brennan & Weal, too and got $7,691,209 in cap room:

- Jsaquella

Yeah, it seems like CF is counting Lyubimov as being on the roster in the header, but then he's listed as a Non-Roster player. 13 + 7 + 2 = 22.

ROSTER SIZE: 23

FORWARDS (13 - $37,983,791)

DEFENSE (7 - $21,275,000)

GOALTENDERS (2 - $5,725,000)

So if they give Lube an NHL job, Schenn $5m, and Manning $766,209 they would start the season with $1m in cap space.

Seems like CF has an extra $925,000 on the Flyers cap compared to GF.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/philadelphia-flyers
- Feanor

I havent looked to find the difference myself...but I know CF usually factors in potential performance bonuses if you are looking solely at remaining cap space

Seems like CF has an extra $925,000 on the Flyers cap compared to GF.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/philadelphia-flyers
- Feanor

Generalfanager has the Flyers at 6,416,209 with 13 forwards, 7 defenseman, and 2 goalies, with Schenn and Manning unsigned. They've projected Weal and TJ Brennan in the lineup. Subtract Weal's 650K, and Brennan's 625K, from the cap, which creates open roster spots, and that gives you 7,691,209 of cap space to work with.

Family first

And that maybe there's a reason all three have a high corsi relative to the team
- YuenglingJagr

What, because they often play together and the rest of the team is mostly lacking possession-wise?

Still not sure what your point is. All 3 have proven to be individually strong possession players who can improve anyone they are with, and that includes when they are split up. They just happen to be 3 possession drivers carpooling together. Doesn't diminish their stats.

I believe it's not top 6, it's top 9 in today's NHL. Managed depth > top line/6 overload. Flyers don't exactly have the ability to do quite that yet, but I was just commenting on our top 6 -- as it is labeled -- being some kind of issue. We know who those players are. The issue is that the Flyers only have 2 real primary play drivers AND point producers. Jake and Giroux. It's why they need to be split. Really only Raffl is available to bump down to line 3 to get some better play driving at least. I'm more than OK with trying Laughts in the easiest role on the entire team: LW next to Jake and Coots. Then have Raffl doing his thang on the 3rd.

Realistically, they need to wait it out for prospects to really achieve it. I do think that something like Raffl-Cousins-Weise or Read-Raffl-Weise could have some surprising results as a stop-gap.
- Mononoke

Heeeeeyyyyyy...3 point and play drivers

I would LOVE if Jake playing on a third line similar to phil kessel...I am just not sure we have a center and wing that can allow them to become a truly effective 15-18 minute per night line

He did make some good draft choices even beyond the top picks. But he also made some really boneheaded ones, not out of result but drafting logic. He fully presided over some President's Trophy winners. And some....not some President's Trophy winners lol. The biggest takeaway looking back at his regime was he was a man without a vision. His team was oozing out the eyeballs with skill. Truly breathtaking skill. So he doubles down on grit and toughness and "defensive" hockey. I don't think he really knew what he wanted or had the long term planning to achieve it.

I still think it won't happen, but the chances of AMac being taken went up a tick yesterday. For that, thank you, Mr. McPhee. Thank you.
- Mononoke

You can trust him to do everything but hire a coach.

Yeah, it seems like CF is counting Lyubimov as being on the roster in the header, but then he's listed as a Non-Roster player. 13 + 7 + 2 = 22.
- Feanor

What would be your dream scenario of cap allocation by position?