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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:27 PM ET
4th or 5th forward at the cost of 2 or 3 roster players though.

I mean I am all for going to get Nash but not if it means giving up Franson and one of Ennis or Girgensons (or both)

- Stripes77

I can see not wanting to give up Girgs, but I would move Franson and Ennis in a heartbeat, because IMO both are gone next year anyways.

Either way, this is why I have been harping on drafting well and not overpaying with prospects and picks over the past 2 years.

It would be nice to add Nash, and have guys ready to step in if you had to clear a bad contract or 2.

Laugh all you want, but who wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia or Compher if it meant saving 2.5-3 mil and adding a bonafide player like Nash?

Who wouldn't swap McNabb for Gorges and save 2.5 mil?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:30 PM ET
This isn't the Open...at least it doesn't feel like it.

Almost no wind, players are in short sleeves, and the sun is shinning...

- Stripes77



One of the CBS guys tweeted a weather map for tomorrow. That is going to change in a hurry.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:30 PM ET
I can see not wanting to give up Girgs, but I would move Franson and Ennis in a heartbeat, because IMO both are gone next year anyways.

Either way, this is why I have been harping on drafting well and not overpaying with prospects and picks over the past 2 years.

It would be nice to add Nash, and have guys ready to step in if you had to clear a bad contract or 2.

Laugh all you want, but who wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia or Compher if it meant saving 2.5-3 mil and adding a bonafide player like Nash?

Who wouldn't swap McNabb for Gorges and save 2.5 mil?

- sbroads24



I wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia. I don't understand your infatuation with Armia. He is not good.

Maybe Compher but he has yet to play a NHL game.

McNabb plays on a team that hides his weaknesses.
Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 14 @ 12:30 PM ET
Hey guys, what's new?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:31 PM ET
One of the CBS guys tweeted a weather map for tomorrow. That is going to change in a hurry.
- buffalofan19



Good, I like watching the pros deal with less than ideal conditions.

But it makes today that much more important.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:33 PM ET
I wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia. I don't understand your infatuation with Armia. He is not good.

Maybe Compher but he has yet to play a NHL game.

McNabb plays on a team that hides his weaknesses.

- Stripes77

We really don't know that yet, he played well for them so far.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:34 PM ET
We really don't know that yet, he played well for them so far.
- sbroads24



He's been okay at best, about "dime a dozen" level.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:35 PM ET
Good, I like watching the pros deal with less than ideal conditions.

But it makes today that much more important.

- Stripes77



Here it is:

https://twitter.com/JimCa...oto/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:36 PM ET
We really don't know that yet, he played well for them so far.
- sbroads24



No he hasn't. 4 goals in 43 NHL games. He is supposed to be this goal scoring sniper.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:37 PM ET
Here it is:

https://twitter.com/JimCa...oto/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

- buffalofan19



Oh man!
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:38 PM ET
Here it is:

https://twitter.com/JimCa...oto/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

- buffalofan19

I am playing all early guys tomorrow
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:39 PM ET
He played fine. He got injured, but still produced at a high level 2nd line rate per 60.

We aren't trading for him to be an All-Star. We are trading for him to be our 4th or 5th best forward in 17-18.

- sbroads24



He played at Ennis's best season rate last year.

Had he played every game and he'd have had 49 points.

That's in the lower tier 2nd line player.

He's also had injuries 2 of the last three years.

7.8 is top line cap hit.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:39 PM ET
He's been okay at best, about "dime a dozen" level.
- buffalofan19

Eh, he actually is 10x better defensively than anyone would fathom giving him credit for.

http://www.behindthenet.c...+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56#

He averaged the least shots against per 60 of any Jet that played 30+ games.

He also averaged a point per 60, which would be better than Girgensons or Larsson.

I'd have no issue with him on a 3rd line
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
I am playing all early guys tomorrow
- homiedclown



8 of the top 10 are Americans right now. Kaymer and some Austrian I never heard of are the other two.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
He played at Ennis's best season rate last year.

Had he played every game and he'd have had 49 points.

That's in the lower tier 2nd line player.

He's also had injuries 2 of the last three years.

7.8 is top line cap hit.

- dadeadhead

if I was moving girgens or ennis and franson for nash

picks and prospects better be coming back as well to us IMO
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
No he hasn't. 4 goals in 43 NHL games. He is supposed to be this goal scoring sniper.
- Stripes77

False narrative. He killed penalties for them
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
He's been okay at best, about "dime a dozen" level.
- buffalofan19



This is correct.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:41 PM ET
False narrative. He killed penalties for them
- sbroads24



He's paid to put the puck in the net.

The pk is just a bonus.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:41 PM ET
False narrative. He killed penalties for them
- sbroads24



So he's a 4th liner...great, I would still take Ennis
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:41 PM ET
if I was moving girgens or ennis and franson for nash

picks and prospects better be coming back as well to us IMO

- homiedclown



Agreed but they can't take on much cap hit.
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:42 PM ET
I f@cking switched him for garcia



- homiedclown



Rain and wind Saturday and Sunday. They have perfect conditions right now but with the 30mph winds Saturday it will have a completely different feel. Rain and wind for Sunday with 19mph winds. It will get fun.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:42 PM ET
Eh, he actually is 10x better defensively than anyone would fathom giving him credit for.

http://www.behindthenet.c...+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56#

He averaged the least shots against per 60 of any Jet that played 30+ games.

He also averaged a point per 60, which would be better than Girgensons or Larsson.

I'd have no issue with him on a 3rd line

- sbroads24


They drafted him to score goals. If third liner is his ceiling, he's merely a throw in for any trade that's makes an impact.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:42 PM ET
So he's a 4th liner...great, I would still take Ennis
- Stripes77

Armia at 925k > Ennis at 4.6 mil

Ennis had 4 goals in what 20 something games? Since we are just using small sample sizes, I'd say his value is way, way off
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
They drafted him to score goals. If third liner is his ceiling, he's merely a throw in for any trade that's makes an impact.
- buffalofan19



A dime a dozen player.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:44 PM ET
Armia at 925k > Ennis at 4.6 mil

Ennis had 4 goals in what 20 something games? Since we are just using small sample sizes, I'd say his value is way, way off

- sbroads24



Ennis has shown what he can do.

Armia couldn't get out of his own way in the AHL.
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