The high AHL salary could help if they try and put him through waivers.
- MJL

another team cant claim him to play him in the AHL...theyd claim him to be on their NHL roster

another team cant claim him to play him in the AHL...theyd claim him to be on their NHL roster
- YuenglingJagr

No kidding! Misses the point of the AHL salary acting as a deterrent. Another team can certainly claim him, and then place him through waivers, to try and send him to the AHL.

No kidding! Misses the point of the AHL salary acting as a deterrent. Another team can certainly claim him, and then place him through waivers, to try and send him to the AHL.
- MJL

that makes no sense...because the Flyers could just take him back and put him in the AHL

that makes no sense...because the Flyers could just take him back and put him in the AHL
- YuenglingJagr

Wouldn't the Flyers have to do the same thing, and we'd keep having this yo-yo effect taking place?

that makes no sense...because the Flyers could just take him back and put him in the AHL
- YuenglingJagr

It makes perfect sense. That's how it works. I think there are rules in place for re-claiming a player you just placed on waivers. Coming out of training camp, every player that is not waiver exempt, needs to be sent through waivers to be re-assigned from the NHL camp, to the AHL.

Wouldn't the Flyers have to do the same thing, and we'd keep having this yo-yo effect taking place?
- jmatchett383

If the Flyers put him on waivers to assign him to the AHL and another team claims him, he becomes a part of their NHL roster. If they want to put him on waivers to send him to the AHL, the Flyers could claim him and immediately assign him to the AHL. (team that originally waived him)

His AHL salary has almost no bearing on whether or not he would get claimed

I'd never tell anyone they can't take part in a rodeo or be a bullfighter...but I'm also not shocked when they get killed doing it.

If the Flyers put him on waivers to assign him to the AHL and another team claims him, he becomes a part of their NHL roster. If they want to put him on waivers to send him to the AHL, the Flyers could claim him and immediately assign him to the AHL.

His AHL salary has almost no bearing on whether or not he would get claimed
- YuenglingJagr

Why would the Flyers not need to put him through waivers when they reclaim him (assuming a second team does not claim him first after the first team that claimed him puts him on waivers)?

Why would the Flyers not need to put him through waivers when they reclaim him (assuming a second team does not claim him first after the first team that claimed him puts him on waivers)?
- jmatchett383

They waived him for the purpose of putting him in the AHL...the reason for that is just as much for the players as it is for teams. A guy like him who could play in the NHL could get claimed by a team who wants him in the NHL. It is not meant for other teams to get a guy for nothing just to stash him in the AHL. If he has a chance to play in the NHL, it lets him. If hes going to be assigned to the AHL, the Flyers retain his rights.

In some ways it is like the Rule 5 draft. You are taking a player from another team, but only if you actually have a spot for them

Why would the Flyers not need to put him through waivers when they reclaim him (assuming a second team does not claim him first after the first team that claimed him puts him on waivers)?
- jmatchett383

Third base!

They waived him for the purpose of putting him in the AHL...the reason for that is just as much for the players as it is for teams. A guy like him who could play in the NHL could get claimed by a team who wants him in the NHL. It is not meant for other teams to get a guy for nothing just to stash him in the AHL. If he has a chance to play in the NHL, it lets him. If hes going to be assigned to the AHL, the Flyers retain his rights.

In some ways it is like the Rule 5 draft. You are taking a player from another team, but only if you actually have a spot for them
- YuenglingJagr

So there is a rule that, if a player is waived by Team A, gets claimed by Team B, then gets waived by Team B and reclaimed by Team A, Team A can assign him to the AHL without have to waive him again? That seems like a possibility for some shady goings-on.

Third base!
- mayorofangrytown

Leave what you did last Friday night out of here!

Yes, in cases like Weal, waivers protect the player. If a guy can be in the NHL-like Chris Porter from last year-most would rather do so. The risk of guys like Miele, Brennan or O'Neill not clearing are low. They're not going to take a NHL slot from a more qualified guy & unless there's a specific reason for taking one of them, most will clear.

Weal could get snagged, though. There's a reason neither LA or Philly risked waivers on him, despite him not playing much

So there is a rule that, if a player is waived by Team A, gets claimed by Team B, then gets waived by Team B and reclaimed by Team A, Team A can assign him to the AHL without have to waive him again? That seems like a possibility for some shady goings-on.
- jmatchett383

No a player has to clear waivers within 30 days to be assigned to the AHL. If he is claimed the new team must keep him in NHL. If they want to send him down he needs to go thru waivers again.

No a player has to clear waivers within 30 days to be assigned to the AHL. If he is claimed the new team must keep him in NHL. If they want to send him down he needs to go thru waivers again.
- Jsaquella

So let's say the Flyers waive him to send him to the AHL and he is claimed by Buffalo. Buffalo then decides to waive him to send him to the AHL and he is claimed by the Flyers. The Flyers would still have to waive him to send him to the AHL, correct? In that case, couldn't Buffalo and Philly keep waving and reclaiming him in a never-ending yo-yo effect?

They waived him for the purpose of putting him in the AHL...the reason for that is just as much for the players as it is for teams. A guy like him who could play in the NHL could get claimed by a team who wants him in the NHL. It is not meant for other teams to get a guy for nothing just to stash him in the AHL. If he has a chance to play in the NHL, it lets him. If hes going to be assigned to the AHL, the Flyers retain his rights.

In some ways it is like the Rule 5 draft. You are taking a player from another team, but only if you actually have a spot for them
- YuenglingJagr

You're correct in that a team claiming him, is doing so because they want him for their NHL team. What you're not considering, is that there is no guarantee that he remains there. So stating that his AHL salary has no bearing as a deterrent is not true. It does somewhat.

So there is a rule that, if a player is waived by Team A, gets claimed by Team B, then gets waived by Team B and reclaimed by Team A, Team A can assign him to the AHL without have to waive him again? That seems like a possibility for some shady goings-on.
- jmatchett383

Not really because if another team wanted to claim him they could

You're correct in that a team claiming him, is doing so because they want him for their NHL team. What you're not considering, is that there is no guarantee that he remains there. So stating that his AHL salary has no bearing as a deterrent is not true. It does somewhat.
- MJL

What you're not considering, is that you're wrong

Not really because if another team wanted to claim him they could
- YuenglingJagr

Right. So, after the Flyers theoretically reclaim him, they'd still have to put him through waivers to assign him to the AHL, at which point another team could claim him.

So there is a rule that, if a player is waived by Team A, gets claimed by Team B, then gets waived by Team B and reclaimed by Team A, Team A can assign him to the AHL without have to waive him again? That seems like a possibility for some shady goings-on.
- jmatchett383

I'm not positive, but I believe there is a rule in place to prevent a team from re-claiming a player they just placed on waivers.
What I think happens out of camp, is if a player is waived and claimed out of camp, 12 days before the start of the season, if no other team claimed the player, I think they can assign the player to the AHL. If other teams also claimed the player, then he has to be offered to the other teams first, who also made a claim, before they can send the player down. Same thing if they wanted to trade him. Not 100% about this, but that's how I think it works.

I'd never tell anyone they can't take part in a rodeo or be a bullfighter...but I'm also not shocked when they get killed doing it.
- jmatchett383

Killing bulls for sport and to entertain people is barbaric. I have zero remorse for any of these fools who are matadors. Mess with the bull, and you get the horns.

What you're not considering, is that you're wrong
- YuenglingJagr

What you're not considering is that MJL stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I think you need to stand down.

What you're not considering, is that you're wrong
- YuenglingJagr

Prove it!

Looks like we're dipping into the KHL talent pool again:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=889185

Anyone know anything about this guy? And where will he play?

It feels like we have too many defensemen.

Killing bulls for sport and to entertain people is barbaric. I have zero remorse for any of these fools who are matadors. Mess with the bull, and you get the horns.
- PLindbergh31