It depends.

Kreider has proven he can be a consistent 20+ goal scorer. If you can lock him up long term for an annual cap hit of 4M or under, then that's a really good deal. It's when the cap hit starts getting really close to 5M, or more, that a long term deal becomes extremely risky.

There's also the matter of NTC/NMCs too that will need to be negotiated.

Also, I wouldn't say Kreider is easily replaceable. He's a very unique and one of a kind player given his speed mixed with his size and strength. His production could likely be replaced (although a 20 goal scorer in UFA would cost over 5M per year, so it would have to be via trade or in house), but you're not going to replace Kreider's uniqueness. Just like Hagelin is irreplaceable in his own special way, so is Kreider.
- rangerdanger94

If Kreider used his "uniqueness". Thats the whole issue. I have said time and again the dude could be a top 10 power forward in the league if he wanted too. Thats what makes him so (frank)ing frustrating. He has yet to show it. So I'm going to say he never will.

Also I agreed the other day if they can do 4. Sign me up, Anything over that is a waste.

This entire page is why they should have gone full blown rebuild.

whats your plan after the 1 year? Cause his price is only gunna go up even if his production stays the same.. just how the market works here.
- mrn22

Give him an extension that he deserves next summer, if he has a true breakout year.

The Rangers are currently stuck with Dan Girardi and Marc Staal on the books for over 5M each. Lundqvist is making a poopload of money and will be for the foreseeable future too. If you give Kreider 5M now, and he fizzes out to a 15-20 goal scorer over the life of the deal, we will be as (frank)ed as the Flyers were with Hartnell, AMac, Lecavelier, and RJ Umberger all on the books at the same time. It will set this organization back 4-5 years until those contracts come off the books.

If Kreider used his "uniqueness". Thats the whole issue. I have said time and again the dude could be a top 10 power forward in the league if he wanted too. Thats what makes him so (frank)ing frustrating. He has yet to show it. So I'm going to say he never will.

Also I agreed the other day if they can do 4. Sign me up, Anything over that is a waste.
- mdw7413

He doesn't always use his speed and size to its full potential, but he will sprint down the ice a few times each game at the least.

You give up RFA status, you lose Kreider to free agency.
- rangerdanger94

If he doesn't perform well in the next 2 seasons. is that much of an issue?

David Backes who I understand has more pedigree than Kreider just got 6 mil for 5 years.. in 2 years Krieder will no doubt get 6 mil per on the open market from some team looking to add his frame
- mrn22

Thats great. It will actually open up a spot for a true top 6 guy. I'm not paying for a guy who can jump out of a pool and has the strength of 2 guys if he can only play mediocre hockey.

This entire page is why they should have gone full blown rebuild.
- tomburton99

If he doesn't perform well in the next 2 seasons. is that much of an issue?
- Bean_Dip

Bingo.

He doesn't always use his speed and size to its full potential, but he will sprint down the ice a few times each game at the least.
- rangerdanger94

Look, I think we are on the same page with Kreider. Where I differ is if he wants close to 5 long term and what should be done.

If he doesn't perform well in the next 2 seasons. is that much of an issue?
- Bean_Dip

But why leave it up to such big risk? Why not give him 1 more year to see what he's got and have exclusive negotiating rights at the end of it?

At this point next year, we'll know exactly what Kreider is. It won't take 2 years.

Bingo.
- mdw7413

if that's their issue then trade him now or next season. You cannot deny the 2 year idea is idiotic. Hags 2.0

Look, I think we are on the same page with Kreider. Where I differ is if he wants close to 5 long term and what should be done.
- mdw7413

Would you sign Kreider to a 6 year deal with an AAV of 4M if it meant giving him a full NMC over the entire life of the deal?

But why leave it up to such big risk? Why not give him 1 more year to see what he's got and have exclusive negotiating rights at the end of it?

At this point next year, we'll know exactly what Kreider is. It won't take 2 years.
- rangerdanger94

How many players always play great on those 1 year deals? You see it all the time. At least with 2 if he is consistent, extend him before the end of the 2nd year.

if that's their issue then trade him now or next season. You cannot deny the 2 year idea is idiotic. Hags 2.0
- mrn22

I guess I'm an idiot then. No point discussing further.

Would you sign Kreider to a 6 year deal with an AAV of 4M if it meant giving him a full NMC over the entire life of the deal?
- rangerdanger94

Let me get back to you on that one, but probably not.

6 years at 4.5, no ntc/nmc. At 4.5 if he doesn't work out a team would absolutely want him in a trade.

But why leave it up to such big risk? Why not give him 1 more year to see what he's got and have exclusive negotiating rights at the end of it?

At this point next year, we'll know exactly what Kreider is. It won't take 2 years.
- rangerdanger94

It's not leaving it to chance. If he starts to perform well, then you always have the option to extend him. If not, we're not stuck with a giant contract. It's taking your plan of one year, and giving him an extra year to prove himself.

How many players always play great on those 1 year deals? You see it all the time. At least with 2 if he is consistent, extend him before the end of the 2nd year.
- mdw7413

Nah man a 2 year deal makes zero sense.

Kreider either scores 20 goals again and we know he is what he is, or he blows up and scores 30+ and we know he's able to reach his ceiling. This won't be a 1 year deal like Michael Grabner where he exploded for 36 goals out of nowhere during a contract year. It's kind of expected from Kreider, we know it's in his potential to do so. So it won't just be a fluke like some of these other players you're referring to, if you know what I mean.

It's not leaving it to chance. If he starts to perform well, then you always have the option to extend him. If not, we're not stuck with a giant contract. It's taking your plan of one year, and giving him an extra year to prove himself.
- Bean_Dip

He'll have to agree to an extension. And history shows that most players, when they're pending UFAs, will choose to explore free agency rather than sign an extension. Because why the hell not?

Nah man a 2 year deal makes zero sense.

Kreider either scores 20 goals again and we know he is what he is, or he blows up and scores 30+ and we know he's able to reach his ceiling. This won't be a 1 year deal like Michael Grabner where he exploded for 36 goals out of nowhere during a contract year. It's kind of expected from Kreider, we know it's in his potential to do so. So it won't just be a fluke like some of these other players you're referring to, if you know what I mean.
- rangerdanger94

Thats just the thing. It really isn't. After 3 1/2 years and the minutes he gets, Its not expected anymore, he is what he is and no way do I trust 1 good year.

Would you sign Kreider to a 6 year deal with an AAV of 4M if it meant giving him a full NMC over the entire life of the deal?
- rangerdanger94

If you had to sign Miller or Kreider to a long deal at 4.75, who do you sign.

Thats just the thing. It really isn't. After 3 1/2 years and the minutes he gets, Its not expected anymore, he is what he is and no way do I trust 1 good year.
- mdw7413

It's not "expected" as much as it wouldn't be a total surprise.

If you had to sign Miller or Kreider to a long deal at 4.75, who do you sign.
- mdw7413

Ugh I don't know.

I've always like Miller because he wants the puck on his stick and when he does get it, he's got the confidence to keep it and make a play. I feel like Kreider is always looking to get rid of the puck the first chance he gets because he lacks confidence in himself to really do anything.

I guess Miller, but I'd be hesitant with both. Despite Miller's desire to make plays, the guy couldn't buy a facking goal until this past season. And even this past season, he only could for the first 2/3 of the season or so before he became same old Miller.

Ugh I don't know.

I've always like Miller because he wants the puck on his stick and when he does get it, he's got the confidence to keep it and make a play. I feel like Kreider is always looking to get rid of the puck the first chance he gets because he lacks confidence in himself to really do anything.

I guess Miller, but I'd be hesitant with both. Despite Miller's desire to make plays, the guy couldn't buy a facking goal until this past season. And even this past season, he only could for the first 2/3 of the season or so before he became same old Miller.
- rangerdanger94

bust

bust
- eichiefs9

We talking about Lee? Or Strome? Or Nelson? Or Kabanov? Or Dal Colle? Or Bailey? I've lost track....