I understand this view, so would you just walk away from him completely?
- airjan23

Nope, I have stated before I want to keep him, but with Kreider I would do a bridge deal. He has played basically 3 1/2 seasons and yes his best play is in the playoffs, but he has been consistently underwhelming during the regular season. Let him prove he is better than what we have seen. Give him a 2 year deal. If he can prove he is better than what he has shown, I would gladly overpay once Nash would be off the books, and buying out Girardi in 2 years would be much more preferable. I just have a feeling Kreider is what he is and we are not going to see much more. I could be wrong, but I'm basing it on his NHL career so far and every year its the same thing. Although he did get better on defense.

Bunch of old men arguing in this thread.

Bunch of old men arguing in this thread.
- Mr.Bobby

Nope, I have stated before I want to keep him, but with Kreider I would do a bridge deal. He has played basically 3 1/2 seasons and yes his best play is in the playoffs, but he has been consistently underwhelming during the regular season. Let him prove he is better than what we have seen. Give him a 2 year deal. If he can prove he is better than what he has shown, I would gladly overpay once Nash would be off the books, and buying out Girardi in 2 years would be much more preferable. I just have a feeling Kreider is what he is and we are not going to see much more. I could be wrong, but I'm basing it on his NHL career so far and every year its the same thing. Although he did get better on defense.
- mdw7413

So you think giving Kreider a 5 year deal is a bad business decision but giving him a 2 year bridge deal which leads him to be a UFA where NYR would have to over pay just to keep him is a good idea?

So you think giving Kreider a 5 year deal is a bad business decision but giving him a 2 year bridge deal which leads him to be a UFA where NYR would have to over pay just to keep him is a good idea?
- mrn22

you either give him a 1 year deal and try and do it all over again next offseason when he will want even more money or you give him the long term deal. 2 years would literally be the worst plan

So you think giving Kreider a 5 year deal is a bad business decision but giving him a 2 year bridge deal which leads him to be a UFA where NYR would have to over pay just to keep him is a good idea?
- mrn22

Yeah, seeing as Girardi's buyout would be way better than your scenario, and Nash is off the books.

You have this notion that somehow he is going to get much better and deserve to get paid. I have his actual play to point to, and you don't overpay long term for mediocrity.

Hipsters are in NY. We keep them out of NJ. Tom Burton is building a wall.
- mdw7413

That's right!

- mdw7413

you either give him a 1 year deal and try and do it all over again next offseason when he will want even more money or you give him the long term deal. 2 years would literally be the worst plan
- mrn22

No (frank)ing chance. If he is consistently better for 2 years extend him. Anyone could have 1 good season. If he isn't better after 2 years, that will be 5 1/2 years of mediocrity. He can take a (frank)ing hike

So you think giving Kreider a 5 year deal is a bad business decision but giving him a 2 year bridge deal which leads him to be a UFA where NYR would have to over pay just to keep him is a good idea?
- mrn22

I think the best idea is to trade him. To a western conference team. That doesn't have a chance at contending. Kreider for Etem.

No (frank)ing chance. If he is consistently better for 2 years extend him. Anyone could have 1 good season. If he isn't better after 2 years, that will be 5 1/2 years of mediocrity. He can take a (frank)ing hike
- mdw7413

Kreider will still be an RFA if he takes a 1 year deal. On a 2 year deal, he becomes a UFA.

It's either a 1 year deal for him or a long term contract.

Kreider will still be an RFA if he takes a 1 year deal. On a 2 year deal, he becomes a UFA.

It's either a 1 year deal for him or a long term contract.
- rangerdanger94

Source?

Edit: I just checked capfriendly. Didn't see UFA age.

Kreider will still be an RFA if he takes a 1 year deal. On a 2 year deal, he becomes a UFA.

It's either a 1 year deal for him or a long term contract.
- rangerdanger94

The point being I would give up the rfa status to see 2 good years and show he is consistent. (frank) that 1 year deal where he will show up for 1 season get a long term deal and go right back to mediocrity. The guy gets every PP, 2nd line minutes and puts up numbers that are at best average.

The point being I would give up the rfa status to see 2 good years and show he is consistent. (frank) that 1 year deal where he will show up for 1 season get a long term deal and go right back to mediocrity. The guy gets every PP, 2nd line minutes and puts up numbers that are at best average.
- mdw7413

You give up RFA status, you lose Kreider to free agency.

Source?

Edit: I just checked capfriendly. Didn't see UFA age.
- tomburton99

It's just common knowledge for any true Rangers fan

The point being I would give up the rfa status to see 2 good years and show he is consistent. (frank) that 1 year deal where he will show up for 1 season get a long term deal and go right back to mediocrity. The guy gets every PP, 2nd line minutes and puts up numbers that are at best average.
- mdw7413

so you think they can keep him around when he gets to free agency?

By that time you will be looking at paying him 6 mil per

so you think they can keep him around when he gets to free agency?

By that time you will be looking at paying him 6 mil per
- mrn22

If he gets 6 mill for 42 points, good (frank)ing riddance. Can't for the life of me understand why you guys think Kreider is irreplaceable.

You give up RFA status, you lose Kreider to free agency.
- rangerdanger94

Thank you

Pretty much you wither trade him now or sign him long term. anything in between youre gunna pay more or lose him for nothing

If he gets 6 mill for 42 points, good (frank)ing riddance. Can't for the life of me understand why you guys think Kreider is irreplaceable.
- mdw7413

I want him on the KP contract the Devils got him to sign. never said anything about 6 mil

If he gets 6 mill for 42 points, good (frank)ing riddance. Can't for the life of me understand why you guys think Kreider is irreplaceable.
- mdw7413

What if he pots 30 goals though? Which is still possible? Then you just lost a 30 goal scorer for absolutely no return....

Out of all Kreider scenarios, a 2 year deal is quite literally the worst and stupidest option.

1 year deal please.

I want him on the KP contract the Devils got him to sign. never said anything about 6 mil
- mrn22

You said he will get 6 mill if he hits free agency. If he stays exactly the same player, no way he sniffs 6.

What if he pots 30 goals though? Which is still possible? Then you just lost a 30 goal scorer for absolutely no return....

Out of all Kreider scenarios, a 2 year deal is quite literally the worst and stupidest option.

1 year deal please.
- rangerdanger94

Long term deal for a mediocre replaceable player is literally the dumbest option.

What if he pots 30 goals though? Which is still possible? Then you just lost a 30 goal scorer for absolutely no return....

Out of all Kreider scenarios, a 2 year deal is quite literally the worst and stupidest option.

1 year deal please.
- rangerdanger94

whats your plan after the 1 year? Cause his price is only gunna go up even if his production stays the same.. just how the market works here.

Long term deal for a mediocre replaceable player is literally the dumbest option.
- mdw7413

It depends.

Kreider has proven he can be a consistent 20+ goal scorer. If you can lock him up long term for an annual cap hit of 4M or under, then that's a really good deal. It's when the cap hit starts getting really close to 5M, or more, that a long term deal becomes extremely risky.

There's also the matter of NTC/NMCs too that will need to be negotiated.

Also, I wouldn't say Kreider is easily replaceable. He's a very unique and one of a kind player given his speed mixed with his size and strength. His production could likely be replaced (although a 20 goal scorer in UFA would cost over 5M per year, so it would have to be via trade or in house), but you're not going to replace Kreider's uniqueness. Just like Hagelin is irreplaceable in his own special way, so is Kreider.

You said he will get 6 mill if he hits free agency. If he stays exactly the same player, no way he sniffs 6.
- mdw7413

David Backes who I understand has more pedigree than Kreider just got 6 mil for 5 years.. in 2 years Krieder will no doubt get 6 mil per on the open market from some team looking to add his frame