In other news, I'm surprised J Shultz hasn't made a new deal with Pittsburgh.

Unless they don't want him, I think it's a mistake for him not to work something out with them.

Yo mama

I think I get some of what you are saying. People on here are misinterpreting your arguments a bit so they can then argue back rather than listening to the spirit of your message. You also might be reaching a bit as well in order to prove your point after getting a lot of criticism. It happens to the best of us. There is certainly a possibility JVR will want 7+ in a new deal, but then again everyone thought Stamkos wanted around 11 mil.

The way I see it:
At this point Leafs management just has to keep all options open. IF they decide JVR is not part of the long term solution (isn't going to sign, will require too much $), then they can start exploring trade options and look for the best deal - possibly a defenceman.

A player with two years left on a very good contract will likely draw in a better return than a rental with only 1 year or less left. If we hold onto JVR until the trade deadline this year in order to evaluate him and others and maybe search for the best deal while he (hopefully) increases value with a good start to the season, great. - If we trade him, probably better to do so before he's down to only one year.

On the other hand, perhaps we're wrong and they do want to keep him and he actually is willing to sign a reasonable contract.

I guess a lot depends on how management evaluates our current group of players/prospects and what they see happening with JVR.
- Thecakeisalie

Leaf management is keeping options open which is exactly what they have NOT done in the past... historically they have committed or over-committed on very high end contracts - e.g. Phaneuf and Kessel most recently being the big ones - for slightly above average players.

Everyone seems SO worried about JvR wanting money... of course he will want money... but if Lou has done anything it is to be consistent with contracts... BIG dollars for difference makers. If JvR is a difference maker he can expect to be fairly compensated - he's got two years left on a show me contract.

and the main point... the Kids needing contracts - let's assume(which is a stretch) that two of Matthews, Marner and Nylander turn out to be "elite". In five or six years time when they are looking at potentially big pay days... contracts like Lupuls etc will be long gone. Kadri, Rielly and Andersen will be still be around at roughtly 5M per.

in short don't worry about the contracts - Chicago has managed just fine by paying their difference makers and continuing to draft and develop well.


and


Bernier's gone!

I can't wait for the flood of wives tears!!!

LOL Original Six and I played since I was 6 years old ( and probably at a higher level than you). Morgan Reilly has nearly limitless potential, but he is FAR from a true #1 dman in the NHL at this point. The Bandwagon chirp is so unoriginal and not even applicable. The Hawks are an Original Six team with more Cups before the Salary Cap Dynasty than your franchise has in its entire existence. Also, check the NHL draft/ central scouting to see how many NHL prospects are coming out of Chicago youth hockey before calling any Hawks fan a "bandwagoner". What kind of "Bandwagon fan" is on a hockey blog in July? LOL
- EnzoD

oh well.. there you go... the ALWAYS entertaining ALWAYS highly credible "and played probably at a higher level than you"....

let me guess you were always the starting wide receiver for your high school JV football team (we won't focus on that being flag football).

geez...

my wife was skating while pregnant with my kids... so does that mean they started skating before they were born?

Yo mama
- robin_steele264

In other news, I'm surprised J Shultz hasn't made a new deal with Pittsburgh.

Unless they don't want him, I think it's a mistake for him not to work something out with them.
- Thecakeisalie

Schultz played 13 minutes of 67% offensive zone starts. Why would they want him when they can just let Pouliot do that next season and at a huge cap savings?

Schultz played 13 minutes of 67% offensive zone starts. Why would they want him when they can just let Pouliot do that next season and at a huge cap savings?
- AdamFrench

I've been told that a Gardiner - Schultz pairing would look great.

I've been told that a Gardiner - Schultz pairing would look great.
- Steven_Seagull

- AdamFrench

I'm starting to like Timothy le Gren (TM) more. Either way, we will be looking at either one with that as a second pairing.

I've been told that a Gardiner - Schultz pairing would look great.
- Steven_Seagull

I heard that as well... but you forgot to finish the sentence....


a Gardiner - Schultz pairing would look great ....

to other teams coaches, offensive forwards and terrifying to Leaf goaltenders.

There are three options.

1. You trade JVR.

2. You keep JVR for 7.5 mil.

3. You let him walk for nothing.

Which do you choose? IMO there is a pretty clear answer here.
- domi_legend

You can't keep him and trade him at next years deadline for something?

Either trade him this very second, signing him right now to a 7.5mil deal (what?) when he still has years left, or let him walk (right now) for nothing.

Dial back the drama.

It doesn't need to be Fowler. But I'd be more comfortable signing Fowler long term to big money than JVR.

JVR is not part of the long term plan. There is no need to be "patient" if a good deal for a dman comes around.
- domi_legend

This is an insanely bizzare thing to say.

Why?

oh well.. there you go... the ALWAYS entertaining ALWAYS highly credible "and played probably at a higher level than you"....

let me guess you were always the starting wide receiver for your high school JV football team (we won't focus on that being flag football).

geez...

my wife was skating while pregnant with my kids... so does that mean they started skating before they were born?

- BorjeFan4Ever

You can't keep him and trade him at next years deadline for something?

Either trade him this very second, signing him right now to a 7.5mil deal (what?) when he still has years left, or let him walk (right now) for nothing.

Dial back the drama.
- burn

I must be stupid... I just get the "haste" associated with "getting rid of Jvr....

i) who knows if he's asking for 7.5?
ii) why the hurry anyway... isn't that exactly what Chiarelli just did with Hall.... make a hurry up and trade somebody move
iii) and of course you listen to offers...

that would seem to be a better approach to asset management.. you know actually thinking about what you are doing.

They just got rid of Bernier... they need some time to properly celebrate that move.

I must be stupid... I just get the "haste" associated with "getting rid of Jvr....

i) who knows if he's asking for 7.5?
ii) why the hurry anyway... isn't that exactly what Chiarelli just did with Hall.... make a hurry up and trade somebody move
iii) and of course you listen to offers...

that would seem to be a better approach to asset management.. you know actually thinking about what you are doing.

They just got rid of Bernier... they need some time to properly celebrate that move.


- BorjeFan4Ever

Have to trade him today or pay him 7.5mil (we already know the number) or he walks. Had to be done today. Those are the only options. Ha under contract for 2 more years but it has to be done right now..... You know cause of the patience

trading jvr right now is stupid unless we get a top affordable player back from a team that is more stupid....if he doesnt perform like first line winger this season, trade him at the tdl...but he has performed like one since we got him and he has been our top winger the entire time so......and dont forget the low 4.25....if he stays at top level pay him 6 to 6.5 at the appropriate time if he wants to stay

Maybe I misunderstood your point.

So you agree Edmonton overpaid for Larrson? I guess the important question then is if you think that trade is simply a symptom of the current market for skilled defencemen or if Chiarrelli simply got owned. If you believe the former, then maybe it truly is a bad time to try and trade JVR for a dman.

I'm sure a lot of people are downplaying Larrson's skill set in order to bash Oilers fans. I think he's a good player with potential to improve, I just don't think he should ever have warrented a return of a player like Hall.
- Thecakeisalie

I think Chiarelli wanted a young, right shot, fair salaried Defenseman that still has upside but is capable of top line minutes. There are few players that for the bill and he wasn't going into free agency without one. His desperation made it a foregone conclusion that he would have to overpay. This was simply a lack of options .

trading jvr right now is stupid unless we get a top affordable player back from a team that is more stupid....if he doesnt perform like first line winger this season, trade him at the tdl...but he has performed like one since we got him and he has been our top winger the entire time so......and dont forget the low 4.25....if he stays at top level pay him 6 to 6.5 at the appropriate time if he wants to stay
- jimi james

exactly...

except you forgot the part about celebrating Bernier's departure.

Not sayin that they should or shouldn't trade JVR but his trade value might be a bit closer to Hall's than most would think. Hall is definitely better than JVR but the difference in cap hit makes up for some (not all) of that imbalance. Understandably the term/age difference also comes into play as well but it wouldn't take much addition to a proposal including JVR to bring in equal value IMO.

Have a great day everyone

Edit: as long as it's not PC trading him away

I think Chiarelli wanted a young, right shot, fair salaried Defenseman that still has upside but is capable of top line minutes. There are few players that for the bill and he wasn't going into free agency without one. His desperation made it a foregone conclusion that he would have to overpay. This was simply a lack of options .
- Jeropotato

sounds about right....

as an Oiler fan I would want to know that the GM had considered other options prior to moving Hall... there HAD to be options such as RNH + or Eberle + that could have done the trick.... but we don't the insight into the conversations that went on.

Not sayin that they should or shouldn't trade JVR but his trade value might be a bit closer to Hall's than most would think. Hall is definitely better than JVR but the difference in cap hit makes up for some (not all) of that imbalance. Understandably the term/age difference also comes into play as well but it wouldn't take much addition to a proposal including JVR to bring in equal value IMO.

Have a great day everyone

Edit: as long as it's not PC trading him away
- reefguy69

Different kind of players, but JVR's cap hit makes him even more desirable/valuable because 29 other teams would want to take a crack at him at that cap hit.

But there's zero point in moving JVR now unless it's for a young, really good top 4 defenseman, but those are hard to find and we'd have to give up a lot along with JVR to do so.

Have to trade him today or pay him 7.5mil (we already know the number) or he walks. Had to be done today. Those are the only options. Ha under contract for 2 more years but it has to be done right now..... You know cause of the patience
- burn

Please show me where it says that the trade needs to be immediate.

Wish the Sabres went and signed Enroth instead of trading for Nilsson. I think Enroth might be the best option as a backup. He is a good goalie with good positioning and speed. GMTM just loves his big goalies, I doubt Enroth was even on his radar.
- doppelthat

I recall Enroth playing very well for the Sabres before he got traded to Dallas. GMTM should have kept him... I know he wanted to tank but I think this would have been better for the team in the long term.

exactly...

except you forgot the part about celebrating Bernier's departure.
- BorjeFan4Ever

WOOHOO!!!!!

Please show me where it says that the trade needs to be immediate.
- cesareborgia