Come on man.

You are in your own little fantasy JVR/Sundin world.

When exactly is he walking?

How much is he getting paid for his next contract?

What team is offering the Leafs anything for him that they are passing on?

I pretty sure his current contract isn't up for two years....SO WE HAVE TWO YEARS to figure out if your other psychic predictions are true.

Chill the (frank) out. He's not going anywhere and I haven't heard the Leafs turned down any offer for him. WTF?
- underhill14

Sounds like the sky is falling on the grass greener side. anyways this is a baseless debate. I'm out good night folks!

Uh, yes, he will fetch a top dman precisely because he is overrated...

Please look up the meaning of the word.
- domi_legend

You used the word in the context of "it should be obvious to everyone that he is overrated so let's get rid of him quick before anyone else finds out", especially if you think he will fetch a #2D.

Not sure but the NHL GMs with teams of advisors and scouts might, possibly, probably know he is overrated too...especially if you have figured it out.

So you can calm the (frank) down now. JVR can't be traded for the #2 Dman you want because he is overrated.

Let's try Leivo for Doughty before the GMs figure out he is overrated too.

Come on man.

You are in your own little fantasy JVR/Sundin world.

When exactly is he walking?

How much is he getting paid for his next contract?

What team is offering the Leafs anything for him that they are passing on?

I pretty sure his current contract isn't up for two years....SO WE HAVE TWO YEARS to figure out if your other psychic predictions are true.

Chill the (frank) out. He's not going anywhere and I haven't heard the Leafs turned down any offer for him. WTF?
- underhill14

When exactly is he walking? At the end of his contract if we don't give him 7 mil.

How much is he getting paid for his next contract? At least 7 mil.

What team is offering the Leafs anything for him that they are passing on? Who knows, but I am sure many teams will be interested in a JVR for dman swap.

Yes we have two years. So lets dangle him, look at possible trades, and then choose the best option. Why would we wait until the very last moment? God forbid he gets injured and we are stuck with him.

Sounds like the sky is falling on the grass greener side. anyways this is a baseless debate. I'm out good night folks!
- systemtool

Nite. Before you go, as I was responding a few minutes ago I was totally picturing Chicken Little at a computer.

If you can get Dumba for JVR now...you do it

if not....wait until trade deadline

Is there a chance Chia works for the NHL? Trades Seguin for pennies to a team that will only have fans if they are good. Boston will have fans no matter what.

Then he trades Hall for pennies, to a NJ team in desperate need of a make over to win back fans. Edmonton will have fans no matter what, and a superstar like Hall would have been overshadowed by McDavid. That's bad for business. ANd as we know, it is always about the money.

I'm not saying this is the case, just saying it could be a possibility.
- domi_legend

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You used the word in the context of "it should be obvious to everyone that he is overrated so let's get rid of him quick before anyone else finds out", especially if you think he will fetch a #2D.

Not sure but the NHL GMs with teams of advisors and scouts might, possibly, probably know he is overrated too...especially if you have figured it out.

So you can calm the (frank) down now. JVR can't be traded for the #2 Dman you want because he is overrated.

Let's try Leivo for Doughty before the GMs figure out he is overrated too.
- underhill14

Well then, now you are just being ridiculous.

Yes JVR can fetch a #2D. Yes he is overrated. Yes GMs have advisors and scouts. No GMs are not gods and often make mistakes for players who they view as better than they actually are. AKA overrated.

Hall for Larsson case and point.

If you can get Dumba for JVR now...you do it

if not....wait until trade deadline
- mr.sir

Yup. I'm not saying trade him immediately. But you look at your options and hopefully something can get done by this years deadline.

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Everything isn't always what it seems, man. Very rarely actually when it comes to business. Follow the money.

When exactly is he walking? At the end of his contract if we don't give him 7 mil.

How much is he getting paid for his next contract? At least 7 mil.

What team is offering the Leafs anything for him that they are passing on? Who knows, but I am sure many teams will be interested in a JVR for dman swap.

Yes we have two years. So lets dangle him, look at possible trades, and then choose the best option. Why would we wait until the very last moment? God forbid he gets injured and we are stuck with him.
- domi_legend

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^Call Lou and tell him this part. I think you have out thought everyone with this logic.

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^Call Lou and tell him this part. I think you have out thought everyone with this logic.
- underhill14

Already had his number saved in my phone actually. Thanks though, very kind of you.

Well then, now you are just being ridiculous.

Yes JVR can fetch a #2D. Yes he is overrated. Yes GMs have advisors and scouts. No GMs are not gods and often make mistakes for players who they view as better than they actually are. AKA overrated.

Hall for Larsson case and point.
- domi_legend

Is Hall better than an overrated JVR?

Larson, on a good day, #3D.

I would probably do JVR for Larson but not until after seeing what the rookie wingers can do.

You might be right, I'm might be wrong. I just think the Leafs have a little more time to figure it out.

Already had his number saved in my phone actually. Thanks though, very kind of you.
- domi_legend

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Well then, now you are just being ridiculous.

Yes JVR can fetch a #2D. Yes he is overrated. Yes GMs have advisors and scouts. No GMs are not gods and often make mistakes for players who they view as better than they actually are. AKA overrated.

Hall for Larsson case and point.
- domi_legend

So your saying your opinion of Larrson ( not so much the trade) is more accurate than Peter Chiarelli's?

When exactly is he walking? At the end of his contract if we don't give him 7 mil.

How much is he getting paid for his next contract? At least 7 mil.

What team is offering the Leafs anything for him that they are passing on? Who knows, but I am sure many teams will be interested in a JVR for dman swap.

Yes we have two years. So lets dangle him, look at possible trades, and then choose the best option. Why would we wait until the very last moment? God forbid he gets injured and we are stuck with him.
- domi_legend

I think I get some of what you are saying. People on here are misinterpreting your arguments a bit so they can then argue back rather than listening to the spirit of your message. You also might be reaching a bit as well in order to prove your point after getting a lot of criticism. It happens to the best of us. There is certainly a possibility JVR will want 7+ in a new deal, but then again everyone thought Stamkos wanted around 11 mil.

The way I see it:
At this point Leafs management just has to keep all options open. IF they decide JVR is not part of the long term solution (isn't going to sign, will require too much $), then they can start exploring trade options and look for the best deal - possibly a defenceman.

A player with two years left on a very good contract will likely draw in a better return than a rental with only 1 year or less left. If we hold onto JVR until the trade deadline this year in order to evaluate him and others and maybe search for the best deal while he (hopefully) increases value with a good start to the season, great. - If we trade him, probably better to do so before he's down to only one year.

On the other hand, perhaps we're wrong and they do want to keep him and he actually is willing to sign a reasonable contract.

I guess a lot depends on how management evaluates our current group of players/prospects and what they see happening with JVR.

Is Hall better than an overrated JVR?

Larson, on a good day, #3D.

I would probably do JVR for Larson but not until after seeing what the rookie wingers can do.

You might be right, I'm might be wrong. I just think the Leafs have a little more time to figure it out.
- underhill14

I meant that Chia believes Larsson to be better than he actually is (that or he's an NHL trojan horse) and he gave up a superior player to get him. I'm saying that it's possible someone overrates JVR in a similar way. He's a really good player, but I'm betting there are a couple GMs who would view him as elite.

JVR for Larsson I would likely do. But I believe there will be slightly better options on the table.

I agree that we should wait until the best option comes around. But if there is a good deal being offered right now, you take it since IMO JVR is not in the long term plan. I'm not saying trade him for anything you can get right this instant... Definitely not, we need value coming back. But I'd also rather not wait until the very last moment.

EXACTLY.

No rush trading JVR when you need a guy like him on wing right now as much as a dman right now. Chiarelli played that game and lost. No issues trading JVR just not right now.
- systemtool

So your saying your opinion of Larrson ( not so much the trade) is more accurate than Peter Chiarelli's?
- Jeropotato

I'd say my view, along with 99% of fans and likely more than 50% of GMs have a more accurate view of Larsson than Chiarelli. I say this because there is already precedent when it comes to Chia, ala Seguin.

Chia is either an idiot or an NHL trojan horse.

So your saying your opinion of Larrson ( not so much the trade) is more accurate than Peter Chiarelli's?
- Jeropotato

Dude, half the hockey world was shocked at that trade. Its not just a couple posters on here.

I think Larrson could be a great player for you guys. I don't however, think he was worth Hall. Larrson might have been worth JVR, but not Hall, who is a far better and more valuable player than JVR.

And Chiarelli proved to be an idiot when it came to trading young talented players before he ever got to Edmonton when he traded a franchise center (Seguin) to Dallas for a less talented, older winger, and some spare parts. He got the Best of TO and Burke (for what that's worth), but I sure am glad he's not our GM.

I think I get some of what you are saying. People on here are misinterpreting your arguments a bit so they can then argue back rather than listening to the spirit of your message. You also might be reaching a bit as well in order to prove your point after getting a lot of criticism. It happens to the best of us. There is certainly a possibility JVR will want 7+ in a new deal, but then again everyone thought Stamkos wanted around 11 mil.

The way I see it:
At this point Leafs management just has to keep all options open. IF they decide JVR is not part of the long term solution (isn't going to sign, will require too much $), then they can start exploring trade options and look for the best deal - possibly a defenceman.

A player with two years left on a very good contract will likely draw in a better return than a rental with only 1 year or less left. If we hold onto JVR until the trade deadline this year in order to evaluate him and others and maybe search for the best deal while he (hopefully) increases value with a good start to the season, great. - If we trade him, probably better to do so before he's down to only one year.

On the other hand, perhaps we're wrong and they do want to keep him and he actually is willing to sign a reasonable contract.

I guess a lot depends on how management evaluates our current group of players/prospects and what they see happening with JVR.
- Thecakeisalie

Very well said.

Just one thing on Stamkos: he would have likely gotten more if he went to FA, but accepted less $ for an extra (8th) year. I really hope that our management does not sign JVR for 8 years.

Dude, half the hockey world was shocked at that trade. Its not just a couple posters on here.

I think Larrson could be a great player for you guys. I don't however, think he was worth Hall. Larrson might have been worth JVR, but not Hall, who is a far better and more valuable player than JVR.

And Chiarelli proved to be an idiot when it came to trading young talented players before he ever got to Edmonton when he traded a franchise center (Seguin) to Dallas for a less talented, older winger, and some spare parts. He got the Best of TO and Burke (for what that's worth), but I sure am glad he's not our GM.
- Thecakeisalie

Once again very well said. I like you

Dude, half the hockey world was shocked at that trade. Its not just a couple posters on here.

I think Larrson could be a great player for you guys. I don't however, think he was worth Hall. Larrson might have been worth JVR, but not Hall, who is a far better and more valuable player than JVR.

And Chiarelli proved to be an idiot when it came to trading young talented players before he ever got to Edmonton when he traded a franchise center (Seguin) to Dallas for a less talented, older winger, and some spare parts. He got the Best of TO and Burke (for what that's worth), but I sure am glad he's not our GM.
- Thecakeisalie

Dude....nobody said it was a good trade...but Devils fans and the few smart Rangers fans say he is better than 90% of HB posters are saying he is.

Once again very well said. I like you
- domi_legend

Dude....nobody said it was a good trade...but Devils fans and the few smart Rangers fans say he is better than 90% of HB posters are saying he is.
- Jeropotato

Maybe I misunderstood your point.

So you agree Edmonton overpaid for Larrson? I guess the important question then is if you think that trade is simply a symptom of the current market for skilled defencemen or if Chiarrelli simply got owned. If you believe the former, then maybe it truly is a bad time to try and trade JVR for a dman.

I'm sure a lot of people are downplaying Larrson's skill set in order to bash Oilers fans. I think he's a good player with potential to improve, I just don't think he should ever have warrented a return of a player like Hall.