Some crazy poop here...

"It was kind of just a cutback play in the corner. I got a little bit of bad ice and a nudge from behind," the Fairport, N.Y., native said. "I went into the boards awkwardly and I felt a little numbness in my fingers, but by the time my trainer got to me it went away and it was something I thought I could shake off as the game went on."

So Bardreau continued playing.

Two days later, he still had neck pain, and Cornell's trainer suggested a precautionary X-ray.

"So I walked into our local infirmary with my backpack on like nothing was wrong, then ended up leaving on a stretcher and went to the hospital," Bardreau said.

Bardreau Article

Lol at the Schenn hate in the ek blog
- MikesPillBottle

Any worse than the Schenn hate in this blog?

http://montrealgazette.co...ndelible-mark-on-montreal

Poor Marc Bergevin
- Tomahawk

I eagerly await the fallout of this nuclear poop bomb.

People are way over blowing the Subban /Weber trade. I get why it effects the community of Montreal for what he's done. But seriously a "declining " Weber is still better than 80% of the defensemen in the league . People acting like Montreal got AMac in the deal.

People are way over blowing the Subban /Weber trade. I get why it effects the community of Montreal for what he's done. But seriously a "declining " Weber is still better than 80% of the defensemen in the league . People acting like Montreal got AMac in the deal.
- Pelle31Forever

Trading a younger, perhaps top 5 d man in the NHL for someone who's an older top 20% d man (he's better than that) who has already started declining with a decade left on his deal isn't overblowing anything, even if he's still a very good d man, especially offensively/PP.

Trading a younger, perhaps top 5 d man in the NHL for someone who's an older top 20% d man (he's better than that) who has already started declining with a decade left on his deal isn't overblowing anything, even if he's still a very good d man, especially offensively/PP.
- Mononoke

Not to mention, as that article so greatly states, his philanthropic work in Montreal.

Trading a younger, perhaps top 5 d man in the NHL for someone who's an older top 20% d man (he's better than that) who has already started declining with a decade left on his deal isn't overblowing anything, even if he's still a very good d man, especially offensively/PP.
- Mononoke

I don't know. Skill wise, to me, it's almost a wash. I get Weber is hinging on being a,senior citizen when his contract is up so that's probably a bugaboo

Thing that I'd be pissed off about as a Habs fan, would be if this came down to Therein vs Subban, and they went coach, Bergevin definitely should get the axe.

I was at camp yesterday for the early sessions and today for the late group sessions. I have to say it was fun being there. Mostly focused on the D prospects while they were on the ice and I must say I was happy with what I saw.

Provorov: Love his composure, skills and skating along his interaction with kids. Didn't see much of his group session but heard he checked Goulbourne pretty good causing him to fall to the ice.

Morin: Love the size and movement but seemed to have issues receiving a pass. He also was great with the kids. During the sessions in the afternoon today he was pinning people to the boards often and it was like ok this battle is over.

Sanheim: must say I didn't know he had the nasty in him he showed today. Very impressive and surely was having fun out there. He also had a great baseball swing to knock the puck to the corner. Which brought the assembled fans to give a rousing cheer. He must have seen me looking away talking to someone beside me at one point during a down time because he rang one off the glass right beside me and smiled and chuckled.

Willcox: was impressive using his size during the group session. Him and Morin out there together was down right scary. Two huge guys just wiping wings out of the play.

Friedman: was good until he got caught way out of position and hung the (I can't remember which) goalie out to dry and man did the guys out there let him have it when it happened.

Hagg: just looked steady to me in all drills and what I did see of him in groups as I switched to the rink with Morin, Willcox, Sanheim and Friedman pretty quick.

Some of the more impressive forwards were Konecny. Martel (quick little bugger), Aube-Kubel, Laberge, Lindblom and Fazleev

Trading a younger, perhaps top 5 d man in the NHL for someone who's an older top 20% d man (he's better than that) who has already started declining with a decade left on his deal isn't overblowing anything, even if he's still a very good d man, especially offensively/PP.
- Mononoke

Weber never smiles after a loss tho. That reason > every other reason.

I don't know. Skill wise, to me, it's almost a wash. I get Weber is hinging on being a,senior citizen when his contract is up so that's probably a bugaboo

Thing that I'd be pissed off about as a Habs fan, would be if this came down to Therein vs Subban, and they went coach, Bergevin definitely should get the axe.
- Pelle31Forever

The key worries for me are three fold.

One is if it did come down to Subban vs Therrien, then Bergevin made an awful choice. Therrien is a coach that wears out his welcome, and has everywhere else.

Two is, Weber is in decline. He's had two years of performance dip and while he is still an elite offensive defenseman, he's really not anything close to an elite defender. Yes, he can still hit and bring a physical game, but he's not especially good at anything else.

Three kind of dovetails into two. In Nashville, Weber has had excellent partners that not only were helped by Weber, but in turn helped him. There's not a Ryan Suter or Roman Josi on the Montreal roster. Does lacking that kind of guy expose the areas where Weber is showing signs of decline?

To me it's sort of like NJ, when they had Scott Stevens paired with guys like Odelien or Souray and people whispered about Stevens' play dipping. Then they got Rafalski and Stevens was reborn.

It's not that Weber is bad, but that contract is awful long and if he does decline as drastically as he has since 2012 or so, it's not going to be a good thing for the Habs

The key worries for me are three fold.

One is if it did come down to Subban vs Therrien, then Bergevin made an awful choice. Therrien is a coach that wears out his welcome, and has everywhere else.

Two is, Weber is in decline. He's had two years of performance dip and while he is still an elite offensive defenseman, he's really not anything close to an elite defender. Yes, he can still hit and bring a physical game, but he's not especially good at anything else.

Three kind of dovetails into two. In Nashville, Weber has had excellent partners that not only were helped by Weber, but in turn helped him. There's not a Ryan Suter or Roman Josi on the Montreal roster. Does lacking that kind of guy expose the areas where Weber is showing signs of decline?

To me it's sort of like NJ, when they had Scott Stevens paired with guys like Odelien or Souray and people whispered about Stevens' play dipping. Then they got Rafalski and Stevens was reborn.

It's not that Weber is bad, but that contract is awful long and if he does decline as drastically as he has since 2012 or so, it's not going to be a good thing for the Habs
- Jsaquella

Good points. I just didn't think it was as lopsided as some made it out to be.

Good points. I just didn't think it was as lopsided as some made it out to be.
- Pelle31Forever

No, there were some that acted as if Subban was traded for David Rundblad or something. Weber can still bring the offense. If a guy like Nate Beaulieu can step up and be his Rafalski, it may well be a good thing for the Habs.

The key is, if Carey Price is healthy, the Canadiens will likely be a playoff team. Bergevin and Therrien will get praise from a lot of the media for the ballsy move and a lot of guys will pat themselves on the back for not buying into the Weber is declining stuff.

I think that's what really kicks me in the bag. If Price stays healthy last year, the Habs are not only a playoff team, they likely win the division and whatever divisiveness the Habs are internally blaming on Subban(smiling after a loss, being an outgoing personality that is selfish or whatever other nonsense), is probably no big deal.

The key worries for me are three fold.

One is if it did come down to Subban vs Therrien, then Bergevin made an awful choice. Therrien is a coach that wears out his welcome, and has everywhere else.

Two is, Weber is in decline. He's had two years of performance dip and while he is still an elite offensive defenseman, he's really not anything close to an elite defender. Yes, he can still hit and bring a physical game, but he's not especially good at anything else.

Three kind of dovetails into two. In Nashville, Weber has had excellent partners that not only were helped by Weber, but in turn helped him. There's not a Ryan Suter or Roman Josi on the Montreal roster. Does lacking that kind of guy expose the areas where Weber is showing signs of decline?

To me it's sort of like NJ, when they had Scott Stevens paired with guys like Odelien or Souray and people whispered about Stevens' play dipping. Then they got Rafalski and Stevens was reborn.

It's not that Weber is bad, but that contract is awful long and if he does decline as drastically as he has since 2012 or so, it's not going to be a good thing for the Habs
- Jsaquella

What is Montreal on the hook for (cap-wise) if weber retires early?

Looks like Weber could realistically retire after the 2022-23 season at age 37. That season he is paid $3 million in actual cash. The next 3 seasons he is paid $1 million. Nashville is on the hook for all the cap recapture penalties. Basically it means that Weber (31 years old) is on a 6-7 year contract with an AAV of $7.5 million and Montreal ends up paying him less than $7.5 million per season in real $$. Am I missing something because I don't think the 'contract' for Montreal is that bad.

Looks like Weber could realistically retire after the 2022-23 season at age 37. That season he is paid $3 million in actual cash. The next 3 seasons he is paid $1 million. Nashville is on the hook for all the cap recapture penalties. Basically it means that Weber (31 years old) is on a 6-7 year contract with an AAV of $7.5 million and Montreal ends up paying him less than $7.5 million per season in real $$. Am I missing something because I don't think the 'contract' for Montreal is that bad.
- moylander

The cap hit is troublesome for Montreal if Weber declines rapidly, but in terms of actual salary it's a breeze.

The cap recapture could be a nightmare for Nashville

What is Montreal on the hook for (cap-wise) if weber retires early?
- moylander

Nothing. It's not an Over 35 deal and all the cap recapture is on Nashville.

I'm not sure how one can say Weber is in decline either other than they are looking at his age and saying he's 30 so he must be declining. The guy has missed 11 games in total the last 4 seasons. Scored 20 goals last season and played 25 ATOI. Weber reminds me a bit of Pronger when I watch him play... he's got that calming leadership ability that slows the game down and makes his teammates better. I'm not sure Subban is there yet..... on the other hand, Subban is just raw talent.

I'm not sure how one can say Weber is in decline either other than they are looking at his age and saying he's 30 so he must be declining. The guy has missed 11 games in total the last 4 seasons. Scored 20 goals last season and played 25 ATOI. Weber reminds me a bit of Pronger when I watch him play... he's got that calming leadership ability that slows the game down and makes his teammates better. I'm not sure Subban is there yet..... on the other hand, Subban is just raw talent.
- moylander

His possession and shot metrics have dropped off a cliff. Even just simply watching the games, his skating isn't great and he lacks Pronger's vision and hockey sense. He's a fearsome physical presence, but faster teams can really take advantage of him.

He's far from bad, but his play is definitely not where it was a few years ago. Offensively, he's still elite. No question at all. But defensively, he's helped more by his partner than the other way around.

Weber reminds me a bit of Pronger when I watch him play...
- moylander

No, just no.

No, just no.
- Tomahawk

The worst part for Montreal fans is that Subban will outplay him next year and it will only get worse for the remainder of that contract.

The best part for everyone but Montreal fans is that Subban will outplay him next year and it will only get worse for the remainder of that contract.
- PhillySportsGuy

- Mononoke

I have recently come in contact with some of these mutants and they aren't as bad as first thought

I have recently come in contact with some of these mutants and they aren't as bad as first thought
- PhillySportsGuy

Speaking of mutants, I'm 80% sure Michel Therrien was in The Hills Have Eyes.

And yes: there are plenty of Habs fans who are sitting shiva over the loss of Subban. But that not entirely small sect who actually think they won the trade and are happy about it....this gonna be good.

Trading a younger, perhaps top 5 d man in the NHL for someone who's an older top 20% d man (he's better than that) who has already started declining with a decade left on his deal isn't overblowing anything, even if he's still a very good d man, especially offensively/PP.
- Mononoke

Stating that the deal is in favor of Nashville due to the age and contract factors involved is one thing. That's not overblowing it. When the talk of Weber's decline starts, that's what is overblown. Weber is still a top defenseman in this league. Offensively and defensively.

I have recently come in contact with some of these mutants and they aren't as bad as first thought
- PhillySportsGuy

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