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- Streit2ThePoint

oui

Stating that the deal is in favor of Nashville due to the age and contract factors involved is one thing. That's not overblowing it. When the talk of Weber's decline starts, that's what is overblown. Weber is still a top defenseman in this league. Offensively and defensively.
- MJL

Yes, he is a top defenseman. However, being a huge Shea Weber fan myself, without looking at any stats, he isn't the dominating player he used to be. Honestly, I think he should have won 2 Norris Trophies (2012 and 2014) but the past 2 years, despite his goal and point totals, he is not as dominating as he used to be. He's still a #1 defenseman, but he's fallen from league top-5 to top-20, while Subban has done the opposite and moved into the top-5. Again, he's not Bruno Gervais, but in the discussion of top defensemen, he's definitely moved down a few notches since signing the long-term deal.

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- YuenglingJagr

Non, ils ont tous sept testicules

Yes, he is a top defenseman. However, being a huge Shea Weber fan myself, without looking at any stats, he isn't the dominating player he used to be. Honestly, I think he should have won 2 Norris Trophies (2012 and 2014) but the past 2 years, despite his goal and point totals, he is not as dominating as he used to be. He's still a #1 defenseman, but he's fallen from league top-5 to top-20, while Subban has done the opposite and moved into the top-5. Again, he's not Bruno Gervais, but in the discussion of top defensemen, he's definitely moved down a few notches since signing the long-term deal.
- jmatchett383

Agreed...I do think his style of play will fit better in MTL, until Therrien gets canned at least. Subban playing for Lavi is going to be tons of fun

Yes, he is a top defenseman. However, being a huge Shea Weber fan myself, without looking at any stats, he isn't the dominating player he used to be. Honestly, I think he should have won 2 Norris Trophies (2012 and 2014) but the past 2 years, despite his goal and point totals, he is not as dominating as he used to be. He's still a #1 defenseman, but he's fallen from league top-5 to top-20, while Subban has done the opposite and moved into the top-5. Again, he's not Bruno Gervais, but in the discussion of top defensemen, he's definitely moved down a few notches since signing the long-term deal.
- jmatchett383

When Chris Pronger came to the Flyers, he was no longer the Norris Trophy monster that he was in the past, but he was still a difference maker, and a player that elevated the team. The same is still true for Weber. He is still a legitimate #1 defenseman. I don't think Montreal made the right move, for two reasons. One, I think the perceived reasoning behind the move, was flawed. Secondly, is the age and contract considerations.

Agreed...I do think his style of play will fit better in MTL, until Therrien gets canned at least. Subban playing for Lavi is going to be tons of fun
- YuenglingJagr

Subban's style of play, is tailor made for Laviolette.

Non, ils ont tous sept testicules
- jmatchett383

Imagine the fries with gravy and cheese curd thatll be on Therrien and Bergevins faces when Weber sucks

When Chris Pronger came to the Flyers, he was no longer the Norris Trophy monster that he was in the past, but he was still a difference maker, and a player that elevated the team. The same is still true for Weber. He is still a legitimate #1 defenseman. I don't think Montreal made the right move, for two reasons. One, I think the perceived reasoning behind the move, was flawed. Secondly, is the age and contract considerations.
- MJL

I never said anything else, or else we're not communicating well. He is still a top defenseman. I just think that, while both Weber and Subban are top defenseman, Subban is several notches closer to "best in the league" than Weber is right now. Disagree if you want, but that's my take.

I never said anything else, or else we're not communicating well. He is still a top defenseman. I just think that, while both Weber and Subban are top defenseman, Subban is several notches closer to "best in the league" than Weber is right now. Disagree if you want, but that's my take.
- jmatchett383

I agree with you. Weber is still very good, but not quite as good as he was just 2 years ago, while Subban is just entering his prime and, now playing in Lavi's system with a better D corps to support him, will probably be in the running for the Norris this year.

Also, the comparison to Pronger is faulty. While Pronger was slowing down when he got to Philly, he had one thing going for him that Weber doesn't: amazing hockey sense in all 3 zones and an ability to both control and slow down the game when he was on the ice. He may not have been a Norris candidate at that point in his career, but he was still among the top 10 Dmen in the league and argument could be made for top 5.

I never said anything else, or else we're not communicating well. He is still a top defenseman. I just think that, while both Weber and Subban are top defenseman, Subban is several notches closer to "best in the league" than Weber is right now. Disagree if you want, but that's my take.
- jmatchett383

I wasnt agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. Only adding my take. I think the talk of Weber's decline is exagerated. Subban's style of play is more in line with popular opinion of the type of defenseman thsee days. I think Weber has an edge in consistency. The real question is the impact that Weber has on making Montreal better. I don't know if that will happen.

I wasnt agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. Only adding my take. I think the talk of Weber's decline is exagerated. Subban's style of play is more in line with popular opinion of the type of defenseman thsee days. I think Weber has an edge in consistency. The real question is the impact that Weber has on making Montreal better. I don't know if that will happen.
- MJL

I'm not sure if Weber is really more consistent or just the beneficiary of playing with a better partner and with a deeper D corps that Subban. Either way, the deal clearly favors Nashville once you factor in age and contracts.

Also, the comparison to Pronger is faulty. While Pronger was slowing down when he got to Philly, he had one thing going for him that Weber doesn't: amazing hockey sense in all 3 zones and an ability to both control and slow down the game when he was on the ice. He may not have been a Norris candidate at that point in his career, but he was still among the top 10 Dmen in the league and argument could be made for top 5.
- BiggE

The comparison wasn't faulty at all. The comparison was used to illustrate that while a player can be in decline from his prime, as Pronger was, he can still be a top player and a difference maker. I can arguably say that Weber is still a top 10 defenseman in this league. I don't think Pronger was top 5 in the league when he was a Flyer.

I'm not sure if Weber is really more consistent or just the beneficiary of playing with a better partner and with a deeper D corps that Subban. Either way, the deal clearly favors Nashville once you factor in age and contracts.
- BiggE

Geddy Lee is one smokin chick.

The comparison wasn't faulty at all. The comparison was used to illustrate that while a player can be in decline from his prime, as Pronger was, he can still be a top player and a difference maker. I can arguably say that Weber is still a top 10 defenseman in this league. I don't think Pronger was top 5 in the league when he was a Flyer.
- MJL

To each is own, I still think Pronger, while not as physical or possessing of an overpowering shot like Webber, was still the better all around player.

Geddy Lee is one smokin chick.
- jmatchett383

- BiggE

Do you and your band fellows ever play in the South NJ (non-shore) area?

Do you and your band fellows ever play in the South NJ (non-shore) area?
- jmatchett383

Not recently, but if we do, I'll let you know. For anyone who may be interested, our next gig is at Malelani Cafe in Mt. Airy (Philly) on August 6th.

You can check us out at:

https://www.facebook.com/visionsofindecisions/

To each is own, I still think Pronger, while not as physical or possessing of an overpowering shot like Webber, was still the better all around player.
- BiggE

I think the biggest issue is the reasoning why Montreal made the deal. If what I think is true, then I don't see it as a good reason to make the deal.

I think the biggest issue is the reasoning why Montreal made the deal. If what I think is true, then I don't see it as a good reason to make the deal.
- MJL

That I agree with. Bergevin should have canned Therien rather than make that deal. It was short sighted and foolish.

Not recently, but if we do, I'll let you know. For anyone who may be interested, our next gig is at Malelani Cafe in Mt. Airy (Philly) on August 6th.

You can check us out at:

https://www.facebook.com/visionsofindecisions/
- BiggE

That band name seriously took me longer than it should have to decipher. I thought it was one of those snazzy names where multiple letters are shared between words.

That I agree with. Bergevin should have canned Therien rather than make that deal. It was short sighted and foolish.
- BiggE

Not saying it's true or not, but do you think his skin color played any role in the trade? Maybe not the major reason, but I personally think that played a small role due to the province's, for lack of a better term, snobbishness. I don't really know exactly how to put it.

That band name seriously took me longer than it should have to decipher. I thought it was one of those snazzy names where multiple letters are shared between words.
- jmatchett383

Haha, my singer came up with that one.

Not saying it's true or not, but do you think his skin color played any role in the trade? Maybe not the major reason, but I personally think that played a small role due to the province's, for lack of a better term, snobbishness. I don't really know exactly how to put it.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, I think racism played a part. Perhaps not overtly, but if Subban was white, I really wonder if the deal gets made.

Yeah, I think racism played a part. Perhaps not overtly, but if Subban was white, I really wonder if the deal gets made.
- BiggE

I truly hate to think about that. I think it was more about personality, and flamboyance. That's part of what makes the player special.

Also, the comparison to Pronger is faulty. While Pronger was slowing down when he got to Philly, he had one thing going for him that Weber doesn't: amazing hockey sense in all 3 zones and an ability to both control and slow down the game when he was on the ice. He may not have been a Norris candidate at that point in his career, but he was still among the top 10 Dmen in the league and argument could be made for top 5.
- BiggE

Not to mention he was a GREAT passer of the puck, and that made everybody around him so much better.

Weber, if he keeps losing steps, will become more and more of a stationary weapon... like Vinny.