My feeling is that Ducks can trade from position of strength - Despres being the 2nd logical choice on the D front to go as I don't think anyone is taking Stoner or KB and I don't see Murray trading Shea or Brandon at this point - but one never knows - and Simon is not the fleetest of foot - so how do the partners shake out - I think 42/47 is a must -
then Vats and Stoner - but you can't have Simon and KB - that is way to slow on the back end - and Shea is going to be on this team this yr -
- dozerD10

Agree, neither Theodore, (and to a lesser extent) Montour are going anywhere (unless there's an offer too good to pass up), as they're cost controlled, highly valued assets.

I guess the big question is the return Murray is looking for if dangling Fowler/Despres. He doesn't "need" to trade anyone, so he's dealing somewhat from a position of strength. If there's no trade made, I have no doubt he'll move one of Stoner/Bieksa.
They can be moved (yes I know Bieksa has a NMC). One will be moved because I agree Theodore will be on the team.

Bernier is only costing the Ducks 2.15 in salary. Toronto paid his 2 mil signing bonus just before Anaheim acquired him. His cap hit is 4.15 to Anaheim but not an issue as Anaheim isn't spending to the cap.

In that same season ending press conference Murray did say his budget was increasing in 2016-17.

I see both Rackell & Lindholm being bridged. They will get decent money regardless. 2 year deals at 3 & 5 respectively. That will leave less than 2 mil to sign or premote 2 forwards more so something has to give. Even moving out Fowler for a #1 or 2 LW on a decent contract & futures will still mean something else has to give. Wouldn't surprise me to see 2 Dman potentially traded Fowler or Vatanen & a lesser Dman like Despres or Stoner.

Very odd to see both the cap hit & salary in Anaheim so high having 2 players like Lindholm & Rackell still needing to be signed.

In that same season ending press conference Murray did say his budget was increasing in 2016-17.

I see both Rackell & Lindholm being bridged. They will get decent money regardless. 2 year deals at 3 & 5 respectively. That will leave less than 2 mil to sign or premote 2 forwards more so something has to give. Even moving out Fowler for a #1 or 2 LW on a decent contract & futures will still mean something else has to give. Wouldn't surprise me to see 2 Dman potentially traded Fowler or Vatanen & a lesser Dman like Despres or Stoner.

Very odd to see both the cap hit & salary in Anaheim so high having 2 players like Lindholm & Rackell still needing to be signed.
- striker777

Big difference between signing and promoting. IF you promote, the player salary is already established. (ie: Ritchie @ $894,000 or Theodore @ 863,000) That's why my trade proposal with Detroit makes sense. Fowler (4M) in return for Tartar (2.7M) and AA (700k). We fill two needed roster spots, save 500K in cap space.

Vats isn't going anywhere (imo). If Fowler is moved, Despres stays (and vice versa I believe). Stoner or Bieksa will be moved if neither Fowler or Despres is traded.

On a side note, Murray stated Rakell/Lindholm would be signed later this summer. Holland (Detroit) stated he wasn't looking to add a D until later this summer. Still maintain a deal is in the works/on the table.

Big difference between signing and promoting. IF you promote, the player salary is already established. (ie: Ritchie @ $894,000 or Theodore @ 863,000) That's why my trade proposal with Detroit makes sense. Fowler (4M) in return for Tartar (2.7M) and AA (700k). We fill two needed roster spots, save 500K in cap space.

Vats isn't going anywhere (imo). If Fowler is moved, Despres stays (and vice versa I believe). Stoner or Bieksa will be moved if neither Fowler or Despres is traded.

On a side note, Murray stated Rakell/Lindholm would be signed later this summer. Holland (Detroit) stated he wasn't looking to add a D until later this summer. Still maintain a deal is in the works/on the table.
- quackup

Both of those players would have to make the Ducks roster over some competition. I don't see a logical trade with Detroit from the Ducks perspective. Murray should be in a win now mode as far as trades go, and looking at what Jersey got for Larsson, that trade for Fowler is not good enough. Fowler is worth a 1st and a good prospect or a solid roster player. AA and a 1st is a possibility, but Tatar is 25 on a one way deal. We dont have much room on RW for him. Its a deadline move more than a summer move. This trade doesn't satisfy any needs except maybe cap space which is not that much of an issue. The Ducks have over $10.5 mil in cap space once Thompson hits LTIR.

Big difference between signing and promoting. IF you promote, the player salary is already established. (ie: Ritchie @ $894,000 or Theodore @ 863,000) That's why my trade proposal with Detroit makes sense. Fowler (4M) in return for Tartar (2.7M) and AA (700k). We fill two needed roster spots, save 500K in cap space.

Vats isn't going anywhere (imo). If Fowler is moved, Despres stays (and vice versa I believe). Stoner or Bieksa will be moved if neither Fowler or Despres is traded.

On a side note, Murray stated Rakell/Lindholm would be signed later this summer. Holland (Detroit) stated he wasn't looking to add a D until later this summer. Still maintain a deal is in the works/on the table.
- quackup

Just got to make sure the pieces fit - which I think they do better with Detroit than anyone else at this time -
I still don't see anyone taking Stoner or KB off the Ducks hands - I think that Despres even with the history is still only 24 and big stay at home D man that people would want over the others even if Cam is moved and I believe Ducks could survive and even prosper with both Cam & Simon traded -

Both of those players would have to make the Ducks roster over some competition. I don't see a logical trade with Detroit from the Ducks perspective. Murray should be in a win now mode as far as trades go, and looking at what Jersey got for Larsson, that trade for Fowler is not good enough. Fowler is worth a 1st and a good prospect or a solid roster player. AA and a 1st is a possibility, but Tatar is 25 on a one way deal. We dont have much room on RW for him. Its a deadline move more than a summer move. This trade doesn't satisfy any needs except maybe cap space which is not that much of an issue. The Ducks have over $10.5 mil in cap space once Thompson hits LTIR.
- sniper11

He's a LW.

Trade helps with our LW and C openings now.

The Larsson/Hall trade was a huge lopsided trade in favor of New Jersey. That's the consensus anyway. Ducks don't have the cap space for Hall, otherwise I think they would have been a player themselves. Plus there's the East/West dynamics in play. I don't think teams want to trade within the division or even within the conference. Only seeing the player you traded two times a year is more palpable.

Just got to make sure the pieces fit - which I think they do better with Detroit than anyone else at this time -
I still don't see anyone taking Stoner or KB off the Ducks hands - I think that Despres even with the history is still only 24 and big stay at home D man that people would want over the others even if Cam is moved and I believe Ducks could survive and even prosper with both Cam & Simon traded -
- dozerD10

I think Simon Despres had the most difficult season of his career last year. It must have been a terrible concussion. Selling on Despres now would be a low sell. If there is one person benefiting from the long summer it's him.

The coaching, system and opportunity is here for Despres to flourish. I don't think we know what his cieling is. The same goes for Manson.

This summer's RFA class was looking like Palmieri, Smith-Pelly, Sekac, Andersen, Gibson, Vatanen, Lindholm, Rakell. As things are settling down, I'm really happy with how management has done.

I like that bob murrys being patient. We don't need another bad trade. I was hoping for some draft picks or prospect in a deal but since the cap didn't go up i guess most gms are freaking out . I keep wondering why bob murry doesn't trade or buy out stoner . At this point he's a 7th dman making 3.7 million. It's seems like the easiest solution . I wouldn't trade fowler . It's would be doing the kyle palmeri trade again . Perrty much all are dmen except lindholm are undervalued due to our depth forcing them to play a certain role . Besides that I'd also trade depres . I like him but josh manson presence makes depres a trade chip .

What do you guys think of Josh Manson?

What do you guys think of Josh Manson?
- CaptCrankypants

Young / smart / getting better/ hard nosed - just doesn't fight as much as his old man- but that was a different game and era / but make no mistake he can go if need be - he was a find in 6th round how he fell that far I don't know because he has the skill set to be very good - I think he is just starting to scratch surface of his skill set -

Lindholm and Manson made a great pair last year. Manson has been steady and an underrated part of the defensive corps. Hopefully, they can keep the momentum going and Carlyle doesn't change things up too much.

Reminds me a bit of a young Beauchemin.

What do you guys think of Josh Manson?
- CaptCrankypants

Manson's a good dude. 99 GP, 5G, 13A, + 12. He can fill into any role asked of him, and Carlyle is the exact type of personality he needs. Persistent, relentlessly challenging him. There are a lot of strong willed men on this team, and Josh is very hard on himself. The loss of him in the first period was the start of the implosion.

Manson overtook Stoner in the depth chart. I really like the singing of Boll, because Josh shouldn't have to burden the heaviest lifting when things hit the fan, and there is fighting. He can be more than a depth enforcer.

I haven't been so excited for a season in July as I have been now. Not too long ago it was Beauchimen and Souray holding down the blueline. All the hard work of scouting, drafting and developing is coming full circle. It's a great time to be a Ducks fan. Now if the Angels could just get it together hahaha

Manson's a good dude. 99 GP, 5G, 13A, + 12. He can fill into any role asked of him, and Carlyle is the exact type of personality he needs. Persistent, relentlessly challenging him. There are a lot of strong willed men on this team, and Josh is very hard on himself. The loss of him in the first period was the start of the implosion.

Manson overtook Stoner in the depth chart. I really like the singing of Boll, because Josh shouldn't have to burden the heaviest lifting when things hit the fan, and there is fighting. He can be more than a depth enforcer.

I haven't been so excited for a season in July as I have been now. Not too long ago it was Beauchimen and Souray holding down the blueline. All the hard work of scouting, drafting and developing is coming full circle. It's a great time to be a Ducks fan. Now if the Angels could just get it together hahaha
- IGotTheMemo

Yeah . The Angels need to get it together before mike trout decides he wants to leave .

The thing that bothers me about the Bernier trade is the cap hit. Unless there is a dramatic change in the way the Ducks conduct business they are getting near their internal budget without Lindholm and Rackell being signed. Hampus probably will get something similar to what Seth Jones got. Rickard will probably get about $3 mil a year and now the cap cushion is pretty much gone. I'm assuming this means Fowler gets traded for picks or prospects and not the LW this team really needs.
- duxcup07

JVR for Fowler and 2017 1st

He's a LW.

Trade helps with our LW and C openings now.

The Larsson/Hall trade was a huge lopsided trade in favor of New Jersey. That's the consensus anyway. Ducks don't have the cap space for Hall, otherwise I think they would have been a player themselves. Plus there's the East/West dynamics in play. I don't think teams want to trade within the division or even within the conference. Only seeing the player you traded two times a year is more palpable.
- quackup

Tatar is a left shot RW, at least that's where he played for Detroit the last few years.

I like that bob murrys being patient. We don't need another bad trade. I was hoping for some draft picks or prospect in a deal but since the cap didn't go up i guess most gms are freaking out . I keep wondering why bob murry doesn't trade or buy out stoner . At this point he's a 7th dman making 3.7 million. It's seems like the easiest solution . I wouldn't trade fowler . It's would be doing the kyle palmeri trade again . Perrty much all are dmen except lindholm are undervalued due to our depth forcing them to play a certain role . Besides that I'd also trade depres . I like him but josh manson presence makes depres a trade chip .
- Eman87654

The buyout period is over for the Ducks. That only leaves the trade option. There isn't really a good trade for Stoner by himself. It looks like the Ducks will trade a defender so that would move him up to 6th on the Depth chart. Losing another in expansion would move him up again the following season, which would be the final year of his contract. The Ducks aren't hurting so badly in cap space that they need to get rid of him. When his contract (and Bieksa's) is up, there will be a few prospects ready to step in on defense. The timing really couldn't be more perfect than it is. Better to keep him than really risk the depth for only 1 season of cap relief.

The buyout period is over for the Ducks. That only leaves the trade option. There isn't really a good trade for Stoner by himself. It looks like the Ducks will trade a defender so that would move him up to 6th on the Depth chart. Losing another in expansion would move him up again the following season, which would be the final year of his contract. The Ducks aren't hurting so badly in cap space that they need to get rid of him. When his contract (and Bieksa's) is up, there will be a few prospects ready to step in on defense. The timing really couldn't be more perfect than it is. Better to keep him than really risk the depth for only 1 season of cap relief.
- sniper11

He's not going to move up on the depth chart . His hip injury just seems to never get better . At this point I'm wondering if he will go on LTIR . But if he gets healthy he could be our sixth dman

Ducks signed Holzer for another one year deal.

Now they have 8 NHL defensemen so sounds like somebody is hopefully going to be moving soon (Fowler, Despres or Stoner I would guess).

I actually liked Holzer as a depth player. Nothing great, but similar to Stoner for way less money.

Bieksa
Fowler
Vatanen
Lindholm
Despres
Manson
Stoner
Theodore
Holzer
Guenin
Schultz

Wow! Perhaps Shultz, Guenin and Theodore start the year in the AHL. Then Stoner and Holzer would be healthy scratches. IDK, that's a lot there. At least no draft picks will be wasted on Eric Brewers.