Come on now, I'm not comparing Baptiste to to Tavares skill wise. I'm saying JT was considered a slow skater at 18. Go work with Belfrey for a few summers and watch the results.

You can teach speed, that was my argument
- washedup20

Tavares is still on the slower side though

- GERBE!!!75PTS

So this is for reals

Tavares is still on the slower side though
- Stripes77

Ok, then all hope is lost. Send him home

rrrrrrrrrrrrr this is what happens when you take gronk
12 team ppr mock draft, picking 6th

qbs
romo, bortles
rb's
mccoy, forte, d murray, forsett, henry, washington (oakland backup)
wr's
landry, mathews, crabtree, k wright

te's
gronk, graham

d rams
k novak

Ok, then all hope is lost. Send him home
- washedup20

You're missing the point.

You can improve skating but speed isn't something that you can learn at this point, you can improve but you're not going to turn into a fast skater.

Ok, then all hope is lost. Send him home
- washedup20

he can play with stamkos and gretzky in toronto

he can play with stamkos and gretzky in toronto
- homiedclown

The Mecca.

The Mecca.
- SABRES 89

I hope I never have to go back to that city again

I hope I never have to go back to that city again
- homiedclown

I hear yeah... and i'm Canadian

I hear yeah... and i'm Canadian
- Steele004

Concerts and jays games.

That's it

I hope I never have to go back to that city again
- homiedclown

Stamkos agree's.

I hope I never have to go back to that city again
- homiedclown

I hope I never have to look at another fantasy football draft.

Concerts and jays games.

That's it
- homiedclown

Only if theres free beer I dont like spending 10 bucks for a tall boy

Baptiste though, I could care less how slow he is he looks better than Bailey out there, always has.

You can see the raw talent with Hurley...its there...

but he definitely needs some seasoning

Baptiste though, I could care less how slow he is he looks better than Bailey out there, always has.
- Steele004

Not sure you're watching the same thing I am...

You're missing the point.

You can improve skating but speed isn't something that you can learn at this point, you can improve but you're not going to turn into a fast skater.
- Stripes77

How could one improve skating yet not speed up?

How could one improve skating yet not speed up?
- washedup20

Better control, better on your edges, better turning.

Sure you can get a little faster but its not like you're going to go from slow to fast by just working at it.

You either have it or you don't.

Better control, better on your edges, better turning.
- Stripes77

Which makes your faster, figure it out budds

I hope I never have to look at another fantasy football draft.
- SabresFaninIndiana

Which makes your faster, figure it out budds
- washedup20

No not really bud.

You can't teach speed.

You can improve it a little but you cant turn someone into a speedster.

Tavares is an average NHL skater at best.

He just excels at other things.

You don't know what you're talking about just let it go.

Not sure you're watching the same thing I am...
- Stripes77

I honestly don't like him as other Sabres fans do, don't get me wrong hes a hard worker and has great potential but i feel Baptiste is better all around. If bailey had a better shot or some hands though

You can see the raw talent with Hurley...its there...

but he definitely needs some seasoning
- feetontheair22

here is some spice

You don't know what you're talking about just let it go.
- Stripes77

your rude, you would make a bad ref

I honestly don't like him as other Sabres fans do, don't get me wrong hes a hard worker and has great potential but i feel Baptiste is better all around. If bailey had a better shot or some hands though
- Steele004

Bailey has pretty good hands for a bigger forward and his shot is NHL ready.