I agree with you guys. Don't trade for RNH. Stay just the way you guys are. Works for both of us

Going to ignore all the trade talk. It seems pretty unlikely to me that the Sens part ways with home grown young talent, when that is what they've been saying they've wanted.

Apparently, Hoffman is meeting again with the Sens and things aren't as bad as some have made out. Apparently things may be relatively close...if 'insiders' are to be trusted.

I never expected that the Ceci negotiations would be the source of troubles. The player must be aware that he has been, and will continue to play in a depth role behind a big minute eating Dman like Karlsson. Ceci must be aware that his underlying stats aren't sparkling. Those are going to impact his value.

He has arguments to raise his asking price. He's never spent any significant time with a proven NHL dman, despite playing a top 4 role. He has had steady progress, showing more and more offensive upside year by year. He has developed a better defensive game, and he is a young right d with good size. Those are rare commodities in the NHL.

Some have been mentioning that he's trying to use Fowler as a comparable. Though Ceci has better production per minute stats, his actual production is a good chunk lower. If Ceci is looking something around $4M per season, he may need to adjust his personal valuation. He will be closer to $3M, in my mind. Maybe a bit over. If I was Ceci, I would sign a short, bridge deal. He sees that he will be paired with 1 of 3 guys in most instances - Chabot, Phaneuf, or Methot. Chabot isn't too likely. I didn't mention Claesson, or Boro because they are ( hopefully ) not going to see top 4 minutes. That means he will be able to explore his offense and creativity more, knowing that he isn't going to have to cover for. I'd like to see Ceci hit 35+ points this year...maybe even to hit 40 points. He will never be near the top of the charts because his opportunities will always be limited playing behind Karlsson. But if he can put together a pair 40-45 point years, he'll be going into his next negotiations with multiple proven years and very decent offensive upside. He'll have more leverage.

As it is right now, there isn't a lot that he can point to. It isn't entirely his fault. The #2LD situation in Ottawa has been very sub par. Putting a young offensive minded D in a top 4 situation without a quality partner to help guide him really has slowed his development. However, he HAS developed steadily. I'm hoping the next two years will be big for Ceci. Imagine how differently Ekblad would have looked if he had Cowen, or Wiercioch beside him instead of a smart vet guy like Campbell.

Obviously, Ceci isn't Ekblad. However, it is actually pretty impressive that he's had any success at all. After 3 years in a pretty difficult situation, he's got good production per minute stats and he is a + player on some not so great teams. It will be VERY tough for him to spin a 10 goal 26 point personal best season as a $4M per year guy as an RFA, but if he can continue to develop and bump those numbers in 2 consecutive years, he could be looking at a much better payday. He's just not yet in a strong negotiating situation. In my view, at least.
- MaxTLimit

If Ceci continues his upward trend in his development, stays healthy for a full season & gets increased PP time, I could see him getting around 12-14G , 24-26A , 36-38 points

How is RNH and Fowler not equal value to Hoffman and Ceci? I said it before. It's really close. It would shake the roster up in a different way, but the calibre of players is basically the same. Ask most non-Sens fans and they'd probably tell you RNH and Fowler are the better pair.

I don't think you're taking contact issues into account. In an ideal world, we sign Hoffman and Ceci and add around them, but they aren't signed yet. One is going to arbitration and one maybe a hold out. That's the reason the rumours exist.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

They simply aren't. You have very bad valuations. Hoffman is more talented than rnh. Either way it would be s dumb move for drums to get another center unless he is an established 1c. Burris is more established than rnh. Lindholm.... We have ceci we don't need him. Those are two players out of the 5 untouchables for the Vegas expansion.

If Ceci continues his upward trend in his development, stays healthy for a full season & gets increased PP time, I could see him getting around 12-14G , 24-26A , 36-38 points

- Erik6Karlsson5

More PP time for Ceci, would mean less for Karlsson.

More PP time for Ceci, would mean less for Karlsson.
- D0PPELGANGER

Not a bad thing TBH ,we need another PP unit that can produce.Ours last season had become far too predictable