Really not sure why everyone wants to get rid of Hoffman and Ceci?

Hoffman could be has for long term at a reasonable rate and has proven he can be a 25+ goal scorer consistantly. His speed and shot are amazing and with the right C I think he could be a 35-40+ goal scorer.

Ceci has been an up and comer for years and now that he is finally here we just want to ship him out.

I have no problem with a shake up and I 100% agree this team needs some trades for a #2LW and a #1C but I would rather trade other players like Mac, Smith (whos value has never been higher than it is now), JGP, Lazar, etc. we can make moves and still keep our best scorer and D
- Maverick1818

Everybody wants to trade nothing for something. The only way that works is if you get a Phanuef style contract in return. We already have a couple of those, so I think that's out. I don't think anyone wants to trade Hoffman or Ceci, but if you aren't going to get a deal done with them, you're kind of forced to do so. The discussion is purely around the possibility that this kind of move will have to be made. Hoffman and Ceci could both be signed tomorrow and all this discussion will be thrown out the window.

Really not sure why everyone wants to get rid of Hoffman and Ceci?

Hoffman could be has for long term at a reasonable rate and has proven he can be a 25+ goal scorer consistantly. His speed and shot are amazing and with the right C I think he could be a 35-40+ goal scorer.

Ceci has been an up and comer for years and now that he is finally here we just want to ship him out.

I have no problem with a shake up and I 100% agree this team needs some trades for a #2LW and a #1C but I would rather trade other players like Mac, Smith (whos value has never been higher than it is now), JGP, Lazar, etc. we can make moves and still keep our best scorer and D
- Maverick1818

the problem is that nobody you mentioned (unless you package them all together) is getting you back a young top 6/4 player who can help your team.....ceci and hoffman can.

i have no issues with moving hoff or ceci if we're replacing them with equal or better players

the problem is that nobody you mentioned (unless you package them all together) is getting you back a young top 6/4 player who can help your team.....ceci and hoffman can.

i have no issues with moving hoff or ceci if we're replacing them with equal or better players
- sensarmy_11

Which we wouldn't be doing with RNH or Fowler.

I don't think in with who is available we would be able to replace Hoffman at any kind of a reasonable rate. I say we sign them and try to make signing or trades to build around them.

I'm not saying those guys I listed would get you a #1C but I would have no problem making packages or even using those guys in smaller trades to tweek or as a shake up to the team.

The only thing I would find acceptable is if we do

Ceci for Eberle

Hoffman for Hampus Lindholm.

That's it.
- TheCalSen

You be smoking was too much Nor Cal sensamilla to think Hoffman gets you 47 bruhdah -

Which we wouldn't be doing with RNH or Fowler.

I don't think in with who is available we would be able to replace Hoffman at any kind of a reasonable rate. I say we sign them and try to make signing or trades to build around them.

I'm not saying those guys I listed would get you a #1C but I would have no problem making packages or even using those guys in smaller trades to tweek or as a shake up to the team.
- Maverick1818

How is RNH and Fowler not equal value to Hoffman and Ceci? I said it before. It's really close. It would shake the roster up in a different way, but the calibre of players is basically the same. Ask most non-Sens fans and they'd probably tell you RNH and Fowler are the better pair.

I don't think you're taking contact issues into account. In an ideal world, we sign Hoffman and Ceci and add around them, but they aren't signed yet. One is going to arbitration and one maybe a hold out. That's the reason the rumours exist.

Watched RNH in junior. There is certainly more there than what we have seen so far. What we have seen so far is still a great #2 center IMO.

Is Ceci worth RNH? I would say no but I know very little of the player.

Ceci have top pairing upside? Seems kinda like a mid pairing guy at best but again I know very little about the player.

From the Oilers perspective moving out forwards doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe Pouliot or Yak at best.

I would imagine a guy like Reinhart going back makes more sense still.

If I'm the Ducks, I'd lock him up and move Fowler or Vatanen, but you never know. Maybe the Ducks are having similar problems signing Lindholm as we are signing Ceci. Seems like a Dougie Hamilton deal could happen for a few d-men this summer.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

You don't move vatanen or lindholm..the only 2 I would approve of if hoff was dealt (more lindholm)

Watched RNH in junior. There is certainly more there than what we have seen so far. What we have seen so far is still a great #2 center IMO.

Is Ceci worth RNH? I would say no but I know very little of the player.

Ceci have top pairing upside? Seems kinda like a mid pairing guy at best but again I know very little about the player.

From the Oilers perspective moving out forwards doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe Pouliot or Yak at best.

I would imagine a guy like Reinhart going back makes more sense still.
- Aerchon

I'm all for that. Pouliot, Yak and Reinhart should be able to fetch a 2nd pair offensive d-man.

I'm all for that. Pouliot, Yak and Reinhart should be able to fetch a 2nd pair offensive d-man.
- Vanillaface

no chance.....

that's like me saying that wideman, neil, and puempel should be enough to get darnell nurse

Obviously McDavid would be your number one C, but so would Draisaitl. This is the reason RNH may drop to 3C. This would be a huge opportunity for the Sens and yet another losing trade the Oilers should probably make to improve the overall team. Sens should jump on it if it's true...it's a steal.

RNH would be your 1C for a LONG time. I live in the east and watch Turris a lot....not impressed. As an oiler fan, I also watch them a lot...I think all of these oilers Fwds will thrive elsewhere...they just didn't gel together with different coaches and systems, poor defence, poor goaltending etc etc.

RNH was first overall. I don't even remember where or who Turris was in his draft year...or which year. Ask a lot of fans who the Sens' 1C is...I'd bet most don't come up with an answer too quickly.

Fowler is also a stud back there. This possible two player switch would be amazing for the sens...not sure how you can miss that.

Good thing for Sens fans you are not making those calls.
- JLO961

1) I am a oilers and sens fan
2) I like the comments above - along with the many people talking Oilers and Sens.
3) Ideally we're talking trading Karlsson for McDavid and everything is solved (jk).... but I do like Turris + RNH - both are victims of slotting imo
4) Stats only tell part of the story (great job Jared with this blog - seriously) -- what I mean is the defense in EDM was horrible - again slotting. They never had top pairing D-men. Klefbolm will be good when back from jury but getting the puck up the ice was absolutely horrible. For me, watching their PP was horrible (the times I did get to watch oilers games. I mean they could use a Karlsson like the Sens could of used broduer in net all all those years they contended.
5) The Oilers and Sens do have pieces that could work. Sens have a group of 2nd line 2-way complete players that lack the offensive resume of some of the top end talent the Oilers have.

Zibanejad + Ceci is more than fair - in fact, I wouldn't do that for RNH unless I was in management and had access to more information (health, scouts, etc). I would however offer Zibanejad + Chabot OR Lazar + Ceci.... and as an Oiler fan I would be pleased; assuming Zack Smith is part of the deal as well. I'm not saying I would jump from either side to do it, but I think I could see those trades go down:

Trade P1: Nugent Hopkins FOR Zibanejad, Chabot, Smith/pick
Trade P2: Nugent Hopkins FOR Lazar, Ceci, Smith/pick
*I'd ask for Yakupov in the deal as well.

Watched RNH in junior. There is certainly more there than what we have seen so far. What we have seen so far is still a great #2 center IMO.

Is Ceci worth RNH? I would say no but I know very little of the player.

Ceci have top pairing upside? Seems kinda like a mid pairing guy at best but again I know very little about the player.

From the Oilers perspective moving out forwards doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe Pouliot or Yak at best.

I would imagine a guy like Reinhart going back makes more sense still.
- Aerchon

Interesting. I would take Lazar + Ceci. Ceci will be atleast a solid #4, and has the abilities to become a Hjarmlsson. Lazar is a guy that mimics dustin brown. They both are big bodies that bring a two way game and will be solid NHLers (if healthy) for longer than a decade. Lazar would learn A LOT playing with Lucic.

Speaking of Devils, winger Kyle Palmieri, 25 year old RFA who had filed for arbitration like Hoffman has, reached an agreement with the club on a 5 year, $23.5M contract. Hoffman and Palmieri had pretty similar numbers last season (KP:30-27-57, MH:29-30-59). The big difference is, this was Palmieri's breakout season, similar to what Hoffman did last season and the Senators asked to see more before ponying up. Palmeiri got paid based on one 30 goal season, which is great news for the Hoffman camp who have a great comparable to submit should the process get to the arbitration hearings.




This is a great comparable to Hoffman.

Sens are looking at: 4 years x $5.4 / 5 years x $5.0 / 6 years x $4.7

Time for Eugene to cave and let Dorion make the call to The Hoff's agent.

Another great, maybe even slightly better contract comparable will be Jaden Shwartz once he signs with St. Loius. He is also scheduled for an arb hearing.
Looking at their stats, Shwartz should get slightly more than Hoffman per year.

Trade P1: Nugent Hopkins FOR Zibanejad, Chabot, Smith/pick
Trade P2: Nugent Hopkins FOR Lazar, Ceci, Smith/pick
*I'd ask for Yakupov in the deal as well.
- AlfieisKing

Hell no to Trade 1.. Shipping out a #2 C, a future 3 - 4 Dman & a legit #3 LW/C for a very good #2 Center & yak. No thanks!

They're Eklund rumours. Why are you wasting your time writing a blog about them!?!

They're Eklund rumours. Why are you wasting your time writing a blog about them!?!
- punchanello77

Because he technically works for Eklund?

You be smoking was too much Nor Cal sensamilla to think Hoffman gets you 47 bruhdah -
- dozerD10

Hoffman would be you're third best offensive player behind only Perry and Getz homie

Hoffman would be you're third best offensive player behind only Perry and Getz homie
- TheCalSen

You are aware the Ducks just signed Mason Raymond, right???

You are aware the Ducks just signed Mason Raymond, right???
- sniper11

sorry

sorry
- spatso

Are you really?

If there were any truth to these rumours (and I find it hard to believe that two hockey trades could be made by the same team in the same summer in a world where maybe two hockey trades happen in a calendar year), I can't see the overall benefit.

Let's say that Ceci did go for RNH. There's no question that this moves Zibanejad to LW. And I'd be very into a top 12 that looked like this:

Zibanejad - RNH - Ryan
Hoffman - Turris - Stone
MacArthur - Pageau - Lazar
Smith - Kelly - Neil

That's pretty good actually. But it does open up a hole at RD. And as far as I know, Fowler plays LD. Forcing dmen to play opposite sides can be a big risk.

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - ???
??? - Wideman

So, as far as I can tell, trading Ceci forces management to go get a top 4 RD. If it costs Hoffman, then it's not worth it because you're opening up too big of a hole at LW as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, if you could get Fowler, that's cool, because you could move Methot down to play with Wideman, move Phaneuf up to play with Karlsson, and then all you'd need is to STILL find a RD to play with Fowler. I feel like Chabot could probably play this year as a 3rd pair LD with Wideman, so if you trade Ceci for RNH, you'd be left trying to fill that 2RD hole.

In short, I think I'd support the Ceci-RNH trade, but I can't see the benefit of trading Hoffman for Fowler. Filling the 2RD spot might be simpler than filling the 1LW spot, even with Zibanejad moving over there. I don't see good options available on the FA market for top 4 right handed shot dmen, and any trade is likely to remove a player from the roster.

It's quite a puzzle. But overall, yes. I think they'd be much deeper down the middle and on LW with a Ceci-RNH swap.

Unless Dorion is a complete moron, Ceci is not going anywhere. Young RS defencemen with his talent and upside are gold in the NHL. He is 22! Keep him! pay him!
Same for Hoffman. Draft and develop.The Sens are a middle of the road team (8th-10th) with lots of young talent. Stop with the PS4 trades. I know it's fun to speculate, but come on. The Sens have had a couple of underdog runs followed by expectation and then disappointment. Give them time to figure it out.

Unless Dorion is a complete moron, Ceci is not going anywhere. Young RS defencemen with his talent and upside are gold in the NHL. He is 22! Keep him! pay him!
Same for Hoffman. Draft and develop.The Sens are a middle of the road team (8th-10th) with lots of young talent. Stop with the PS4 trades. I know it's fun to speculate, but come on. The Sens have had a couple of underdog runs followed by expectation and then disappointment. Give them time to figure it out.
- JACMAN

Seconded

Unless Dorion is a complete moron, Ceci is not going anywhere. Young RS defencemen with his talent and upside are gold in the NHL. He is 22! Keep him! pay him!
Same for Hoffman. Draft and develop.The Sens are a middle of the road team (8th-10th) with lots of young talent. Stop with the PS4 trades. I know it's fun to speculate, but come on. The Sens have had a couple of underdog runs followed by expectation and then disappointment. Give them time to figure it out.
- JACMAN

thats wat im talkin' bout

I doubt he is moved....and if he is, it means Chabot is ready for top 4 with Phanuef.....or atleast thats their intention

Unless Dorion is a complete moron, Ceci is not going anywhere. Young RS defencemen with his talent and upside are gold in the NHL. He is 22! Keep him! pay him!
Same for Hoffman. Draft and develop.The Sens are a middle of the road team (8th-10th) with lots of young talent. Stop with the PS4 trades. I know it's fun to speculate, but come on. The Sens have had a couple of underdog runs followed by expectation and then disappointment. Give them time to figure it out.
- JACMAN

Bingo Phaneuf may be alot of things ,but one thing he isnt is Cowen or Wiercicoh .Both those guys make him look like Bobby Orr

Going to ignore all the trade talk. It seems pretty unlikely to me that the Sens part ways with home grown young talent, when that is what they've been saying they've wanted.

Apparently, Hoffman is meeting again with the Sens and things aren't as bad as some have made out. Apparently things may be relatively close...if 'insiders' are to be trusted.

I never expected that the Ceci negotiations would be the source of troubles. The player must be aware that he has been, and will continue to play in a depth role behind a big minute eating Dman like Karlsson. Ceci must be aware that his underlying stats aren't sparkling. Those are going to impact his value.

He has arguments to raise his asking price. He's never spent any significant time with a proven NHL dman, despite playing a top 4 role. He has had steady progress, showing more and more offensive upside year by year. He has developed a better defensive game, and he is a young right d with good size. Those are rare commodities in the NHL.

Some have been mentioning that he's trying to use Fowler as a comparable. Though Ceci has better production per minute stats, his actual production is a good chunk lower. If Ceci is looking something around $4M per season, he may need to adjust his personal valuation. He will be closer to $3M, in my mind. Maybe a bit over. If I was Ceci, I would sign a short, bridge deal. He sees that he will be paired with 1 of 3 guys in most instances - Chabot, Phaneuf, or Methot. Chabot isn't too likely. I didn't mention Claesson, or Boro because they are ( hopefully ) not going to see top 4 minutes. That means he will be able to explore his offense and creativity more, knowing that he isn't going to have to cover for. I'd like to see Ceci hit 35+ points this year...maybe even to hit 40 points. He will never be near the top of the charts because his opportunities will always be limited playing behind Karlsson. But if he can put together a pair 40-45 point years, he'll be going into his next negotiations with multiple proven years and very decent offensive upside. He'll have more leverage.

As it is right now, there isn't a lot that he can point to. It isn't entirely his fault. The #2LD situation in Ottawa has been very sub par. Putting a young offensive minded D in a top 4 situation without a quality partner to help guide him really has slowed his development. However, he HAS developed steadily. I'm hoping the next two years will be big for Ceci. Imagine how differently Ekblad would have looked if he had Cowen, or Wiercioch beside him instead of a smart vet guy like Campbell.

Obviously, Ceci isn't Ekblad. However, it is actually pretty impressive that he's had any success at all. After 3 years in a pretty difficult situation, he's got good production per minute stats and he is a + player on some not so great teams. It will be VERY tough for him to spin a 10 goal 26 point personal best season as a $4M per year guy as an RFA, but if he can continue to develop and bump those numbers in 2 consecutive years, he could be looking at a much better payday. He's just not yet in a strong negotiating situation. In my view, at least.