Hoffman>>>>Nuge
- Danformo

one is a centre, one is a LW....hard to compare

turris was burried on the 4th line in phx by a coach that basically hated him. since arriving in ottawa and playing in the top six, he's a 0.69 PPG player.

RNH is not much of an upgrade over turris....his ceiling might be higher, but right now there is almost no difference
- sensarmy_11

How many Centers in the NHL have 200 points at the age of 22? How many have had 3 50 point seasons by that age?

one is a centre, one is a LW....hard to compare
- sensarmy_11

I agree, I 100% hate the thought of trading Hoffman but you can't compare a LW to a C

How many Centers in the NHL have 200 points at the age of 22? How many have had 3 50 point seasons by that age?
- Vanillaface

not quite sure why you're getting so defensive.....never said he wasn't a good player. i said that right now him and turris are very similar players, which is a statistical fact

turris was burried on the 4th line in phx by a coach that basically hated him. since arriving in ottawa and playing in the top six, he's a 0.69 PPG player.

RNH is not much of an upgrade over turris....his ceiling might be higher, but right now there is almost no difference
- sensarmy_11

RNH is better than Turris in terms of pure offensive ability. He creates more plays. Turris more of a grinding out type centre to get points. RNH would add something that Turris/Zibby/Pag don't quite posses, elite play making ability. This is not to say RNH is miles better than Turris, but just that aspect of his game. Also, saying RNH playmaking ability is elite doesn't necessarily make him an elite overall player. Like Hoffman has an elite shot, but no one would categorize him as an elite player.

It would be interesting to have Hoffman and Ceci swapped for RNH and Fowler. I wouldn't say we would be hugely better as a result, but we would see a different team on the ice. It was only a couple of days ago everyone agreed how important quality centres are to a team.

RNH is better than Turris in terms of pure offensive ability. He creates more plays. Turris more of a grinding out type centre to get points. RNH would add something that Turris/Zibby/Pag don't quite posses, elite play making ability. This is not to say RNH is miles better than Turris, but just that aspect of his game. Also, saying RNH playmaking ability is elite doesn't necessarily make him an elite overall player. Like Hoffman has an elite shot, but no one would categorize him as an elite player.

It would be interesting to have Hoffman and Ceci swapped for RNH and Fowler. I wouldn't say we would be hugely better as a result, but we would see a different team on the ice. It was only a couple of days ago everyone agreed how important quality centres are to a team.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

RNH has improved his shot in recent seasons. His release and accuracy are really good. I'd say better than Hall's. He's a good penalty killer and would be a 65+ point center playing with Karlsson.

RNH has improved his shot in recent seasons. His release and accuracy are really good. I'd say better than Hall's. He's a good penalty killer and would be a 65+ point center playing with Karlsson.
- Vanillaface

But would he be a 65+ player and make Hoffman a 40+ goal scorer and get Ryan back to 30+ goals and be a competitive #1C like Duchene would?

Have the Oiler cheerleaders convinced you yet that Nuge is a 1st line center?....didn't think so.
Or a 2nd for that matter.

Have the Oiler cheerleaders convinced you yet that Nuge is a 1st line center?....didn't think so.
Or a 2nd for that matter.
- JimmyBeem

He's obviously the next Gretzky lol

But would he be a 65+ player and make Hoffman a 40+ goal scorer and get Ryan back to 30+ goals and be a competitive #1C like Duchene would?
- Maverick1818

i'm not sure why people think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....he plays with guys like landeskog, mackinnon, iginla, etc as has never managed to turn any of those guys into even 30 goal guys. pretty sure the only guy on that avs team who's put up 30 goals in the last 5-6 years is duchene. i don't think he's a play-making centre......seems like more of a shooter.

i don't think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....in fact i probably wouldn't even put them on the same line together.

What I meant was Oilers forwards stats are being negatively effected by not having a puck moving d-man forcing them to play over 60% of the games in their own end. They haven't had a 40 point guy on the back end in 7 years.

To EDM: Cam Fowler

To Ana: RNH


We'll hold on to Hoffman & Ceci.

To EDM: Cam Fowler

To Ana: RNH


We'll hold on to Hoffman & Ceci.
- Erik6Karlsson5

anaheim needs wingers, they already have getzlaf and kesler

i'm not sure why people think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....he plays with guys like landeskog, mackinnon, iginla, etc as has never managed to turn any of those guys into even 30 goal guys. pretty sure the only guy on that avs team who's put up 30 goals in the last 5-6 years is duchene. i don't think he's a play-making centre......seems like more of a shooter.

i don't think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....in fact i probably wouldn't even put them on the same line together.
- sensarmy_11

Duchene is actually a slick passer. He actually makes some ridic passes that his teammates just don't capitalize on.

You absolutely put both hoff and duchene on the same line...speed kills

i'm not sure why people think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....he plays with guys like landeskog, mackinnon, iginla, etc as has never managed to turn any of those guys into even 30 goal guys. pretty sure the only guy on that avs team who's put up 30 goals in the last 5-6 years is duchene. i don't think he's a play-making centre......seems like more of a shooter.

i don't think duchene would turn hoffman into a 40 goal guy.....in fact i probably wouldn't even put them on the same line together.
- sensarmy_11

I tend to agree Duchene wouldn't single-handedly make a Hoffman into a 40 goal scorer, but Duchene is gifted player. Don't let the fancy stats fool you. He can do everything to an elite level. His biggest issue is putting everything together for 82 games. He always seems to have a 10-15 game stretch where just nothing goes right for him whether it's bounces or his line mates not capitalizing. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the game. If he didn't have the ego maniac Roy behind the bench, I think he'd really take off. I think it would be dumb for Colorado to move him, but I also thought Montreal would be dumb to move PK Subban, so you never know. They have Maccinion, Soderberg, and Colborne up the middle without Duchene and are a little weak on the wing, so maybe Hoffman is a guy they would like (of course with Ottawa adding a little to a deal).

I think an Ottawa/Colorado deal is more likely than a Ottawa/Edmonton deal, but both are pretty unlikely. I can definitely buy the Anaheim rumours. They are well stocked on the back end and could use some push up front.

one is a centre, one is a LW....hard to compare
- sensarmy_11

Offensively Hoffman is the better player.

The only thing I would find acceptable is if we do

Ceci for Eberle

Hoffman for Hampus Lindholm.

That's it.

The only thing I would find acceptable is if we do

Ceci for Eberle

Hoffman for Hampus Lindholm.

That's it.
- TheCalSen

Anaheim won't move lindholm and if they did it would take more than an unsigned hoffman

The only thing I would find acceptable is if we do

Ceci for Eberle

Hoffman for Hampus Lindholm.

That's it.
- TheCalSen

I think Eberle is a RW ,value would be there but i dont really think Rw is a need for us .More specifically not at the expense of Ceci

Anaheim won't move lindholm and if they did it would take more than an unsigned hoffman
- sensarmy_11

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lindholm is also an unsigned RFA?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lindholm is also an unsigned RFA?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

damn, you're right.....i thought they had locked him up long term last summer. makes that proposal a little more interesting and feasible i would think. i still think it would take more than hoffman though

damn, you're right.....i thought they had locked him up long term last summer. makes that proposal a little more interesting and feasible i would think. i still think it would take more than hoffman though
- sensarmy_11

If I'm the Ducks, I'd lock him up and move Fowler or Vatanen, but you never know. Maybe the Ducks are having similar problems signing Lindholm as we are signing Ceci. Seems like a Dougie Hamilton deal could happen for a few d-men this summer.

If I'm the Ducks, I'd lock him up and move Fowler or Vatanen, but you never know. Maybe the Ducks are having similar problems signing Lindholm as we are signing Ceci. Seems like a Dougie Hamilton deal could happen for a few d-men this summer.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

should prove interesting.

Really not sure why everyone wants to get rid of Hoffman and Ceci?

Hoffman could be had for long term at a reasonable rate and has proven he can be a 25+ goal scorer consistantly. His speed and shot are amazing and with the right C I think he could be a 35-40+ goal scorer and is a 1st line player on most teams in the NHL

Ceci has been an up and comer for years and now that he is finally here we just want to ship him out.

I have no problem with a shake up and I 100% agree this team needs some trades for a #2LW and a #1C but I would rather trade other players like Mac, Smith (whos value has never been higher than it is now), JGP, Lazar, etc. we can make moves and still keep our best scorer and D

Obviously McDavid would be your number one C, but so would Draisaitl. This is the reason RNH may drop to 3C. This would be a huge opportunity for the Sens and yet another losing trade the Oilers should probably make to improve the overall team. Sens should jump on it if it's true...it's a steal.

RNH would be your 1C for a LONG time. I live in the east and watch Turris a lot....not impressed. As an oiler fan, I also watch them a lot...I think all of these oilers Fwds will thrive elsewhere...they just didn't gel together with different coaches and systems, poor defence, poor goaltending etc etc.

RNH was first overall. I don't even remember where or who Turris was in his draft year...or which year. Ask a lot of fans who the Sens' 1C is...I'd bet most don't come up with an answer too quickly.

Fowler is also a stud back there. This possible two player switch would be amazing for the sens...not sure how you can miss that.

Good thing for Sens fans you are not making those calls.
- JLO961

This is a dumb post. Clearly you don't know much.

Turris is a 1b center. A good player with a very good contract. He was 3rd overall btw. But where you were drafted years ago means nothing. It's all about today.