I'm sold

Was looking at the prospect camp that starts tomorrow. Couple observations;

1. Team C looks like the roster for Rockford, assume they'll pound the other teams.

2. Team A for everyone who keeps saying Stan only drafts smurfs, that's some big boys on that team.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=113540&navid=DL|CHI|home
- vabeachbear

Pretty sure the entire draft class last year was 6'0" plus or damn near.

It would need to be a big portion...
- Al

wouldn't be a horrible deal to do TVR, McNeil, 2017 3rd for Hartnell with 50% retained?

Although the hawks would likely have to do quite a bit of convincing to get Columbus to eat some salary. I'd say at least 1.5 (although more would be nice) to have any sort of room for possible deals throughout the season which I doubt Columbus would do. Like the idea but not sure how the numbers fit.

Really they're better off and more likely looking for a 1 year deal with someone for 1LW. Since panarin needs to be re-upped in less than a year.

Was looking at the prospect camp that starts tomorrow. Couple observations;

1. Team C looks like the roster for Rockford, assume they'll pound the other teams.

2. Team A for everyone who keeps saying Stan only drafts smurfs, that's some big boys on that team.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=113540&navid=DL|CHI|home
- vabeachbear

Looking at the schedule Team C isn't scheduled to scrimmage. I'm assuming that could change though.

Replying to Vanoxy: Kane would be doing that here in ChiTown, as I understood at the request of the team, and perhaps even some real time guidance and positive influence. But it is a concern nonetheless.

...That's the rub for finding any left wing for that line. Toews and Hossa need a puck chaser, asking them to work the boards constantly leads to diminishing returns. That's why Shaw played on their line and someone similar is needed.
- Al

Like .... Anisimov

This team could use a little sandpaper, other than that I think the Hawks are looking good.
- Dieselhead

60 grit prefefably, no less than 100. But could be had cheaply enough, and fill in / blend in the proper spots?

wouldn't be a horrible deal to do TVR, McNeil, 2017 3rd for Hartnell with 50% retained?

Although the hawks would likely have to do quite a bit of convincing to get Columbus to eat some salary. I'd say at least 1.5 (although more would be nice) to have any sort of room for possible deals throughout the season which I doubt Columbus would do. Like the idea but not sure how the numbers fit.

Really they're better off and more likely looking for a 1 year deal with someone for 1LW. Since panarin needs to be re-upped in less than a year.
- hawkss81

Just curious about salary retention, is it possible for that number to be different each year? Could there be a deal in which Hartnell's salary is retained at 3 million for the first year, 2 million for the 2nd year. and 1 million for the last year of his contract? That way the Hawks take on a bigger hit each year and Columbus less.

Im not sure if the CBA allows this but if it's possible, I would think it would help more deals get done.

Like .... Anisimov
- John Jaeckel

Anisimov is probably the best option available right now but that means he's not between 88/72 which probably means that line isn't going to be as effective.

Just curious about salary retention, is it possible for that number to be different each year? Could there be a deal in which Hartnell's salary is retained at 3 million for the first year, 2 million for the 2nd year. and 1 million for the last year of his contract? That way the Hawks take on a bigger hit each year and Columbus less.

Im not sure if the CBA allows this but if it's possible, I would think it would help more deals get done.
- Lido_Shuffle

Thought I remember its only a percentage of the cap hit, uo thru 50%. Any team can have any combo of three max RSA contracts in any combo (retaining themselves or another team retaining).

...That's the rub for finding any left wing for that line. Toews and Hossa need a puck chaser, asking them to work the boards constantly leads to diminishing returns. That's why Shaw played on their line and someone similar is needed.
- Al

Is Vesey that guy?

I'm only asking because I have not seen much of him but apparently try that's going to be Stan's main pitch to him.

He is big but seems to be more of a skilled player.

Anisimov is probably the best option available right now but that means he's not between 88/72 which probably means that line isn't going to be as effective.
- EbonyRaptor

I wouldn't count out Richards between 72/88. I don't think he's completely lost all his wheels and what he has lost, he makes up in smarts. That's a couple of creative and damned good passing wingers he'd have on the flanks.

Plus I still can't get that '15 first round FO out of my mind; the one where he moved up Duncs to the hash marks and in 2.0 sec from puck drop, Kaner one timed it top shelf past Rinne off the touch pass from Duncs. That thinking I believe would be greatly appreciated on the 'second line'.

If Richards would come cheap. That is a better option than they currently have. I still think Bowman has something up his sleeve and they are going to wait until after the prospects camp. I feel now that Soupy signed cheap and that will now slot Kempny to be a 5/6D that TVR is dealt. He will likely be picked up by Las Vegas next year if he doesn't get dealt. TVR and say a McNeil could get a player you could slot in at 1LW, maybe not a high scoring winger, but somebody that could certainly help Toews and Hossa.
- HossBoss

I will keep asking the question, why does everyone think the TVR is a shoe in to get picked up by Vegas next year if he can't even beat out Rozy or Kempny this year?

One side of the debate seems real odd to me

I just assume they do nothing now til decisions are made by Vesey and Shipachyov.

It would need to be a big portion...
- Al

Isn't the limit 50%, also as Wiz pointed out yesterday, its two or three more years, even 50% hurts on being able to resign Panarin.

Surely its been discussed here-- but what do you think about Panik playing that role--- as he did late last season--- perhaps with more time with the team and practice-- to clearly define his role-- I'm not saying he is projected as a 1LW-- but if he can be coached to play the role--- he has size-- speed-- and has shown some good board work from my eyes-- not the best finisher-- but---
- jb3333

If for some chance he actually could do it, it would solve a huge problem.

Don't think most believe he can do it for a full season.

I will keep asking the question, why does everyone think the TVR is a shoe in to get picked up by Vegas next year if he can't even beat out Rozy or Kempny this year?

One side of the debate seems real odd to me
- vabeachbear

Maybe not a shoe-in. Some picks I gotta believe will be for players who will be given a chance to step into a larger roll. For the 'Hawks at this time, TVR being moved is more of a cap casulty (indirectly) than anything else. Face it, if they had that 1L guy ($$$$) and they also had a known 5D commodity ($$), we would not be discussing moving TVR, or AA, or Krugs, or ....

>Very well said, JJ
>Would add that having Soupy back will make Keith even better
>Duncs will regain some of his puck-carrying mojo by being reminded of it by watching Soupy
>Have to say that there are currently NO elite teams in the NHL -- only a few real stinkers
>There isn't a single team out there that "has it all"
>One of the key reasons the Pens won the Cup was because their largely average D shuttled the puck into 50/50 areas in the neutral zone and no-name Pens forwards consistently won those pucks with speed
>With all NHL rosters depleted, thanks to Bettman, we will see a lot of attempts at this style of play this year around the league
>Lastly, this is the year of the Q -- what can he do with what he winds up with?
- SnapitUpstairs

Exactly right. There was little precision to the transistion, especially in moving the puck out of their zone and through the neutral zone. They just kept moving/pushing/swatting/poking/shoving the puck forward with support following the goal being to out man on the puck. The support would read if the forward could gain control, if not swoop in and they'd have a 1 man advantage on the puck, if the forward did control the support would beeline straight ahead waiting for a chip/pass/poke of the puck towards him (or an area he was going towards) until they reached a danger zone. All done at top speed.

If they did turn the puck over it wasn't a high danger event as support was behind the play coming up to support or ready to defend or steal the puck back.

Right on here, Snap. Not much tape to tape but the thing was always going forward with support following all done at warp speed......

Replying to Vanoxy: Kane would be doing that here in ChiTown, as I understood at the request of the team, and perhaps even some real time guidance and positive influence. But it is a concern nonetheless.
- blackhawk24

I don't think it will be an issue.
As a Canucks fan, I hate the guy, but as a hockey fan, I really hope he has learned his lesson and will show up to camp drama free this year and build on his performance of last season.

A Monty Python reference and a Kelly's Heroes clip. Life is good.

Like .... Anisimov
- John Jaeckel

Ya, that's not Hartnell

Surely its been discussed here-- but what do you think about Panik playing that role--- as he did late last season--- perhaps with more time with the team and practice-- to clearly define his role-- I'm not saying he is projected as a 1LW-- but if he can be coached to play the role--- he has size-- speed-- and has shown some good board work from my eyes-- not the best finisher-- but---
- jb3333

As the roster sits on July 9th I think Panik gets first shot at 1LW.

Maybe not a shoe-in. Some picks I gotta believe will be for players who will be given a chance to step into a larger roll. For the 'Hawks at this time, TVR being moved is more of a cap casulty (indirectly) than anything else. Face it, if they had that 1L guy ($$$$) and they also had a known 5D commodity ($$), we would not be discussing moving TVR, or AA, or Krugs, or ....
- blackhawk24

Doesn't TVR have the lowest cap hit or any of the possible guys moved? Don't see how moving him helps the cap situation much.

If you're #5 or 6 Dman can be out on the ice for 15 mins a game, that a lot of mins kept off your #'s 1-4 during the season. As the hawks 1-4s age, this is a huge deal.

Just don't see the logic in moving TVR this year. If you could get a 1LW?, sure but again, who do you think is trading the Hawks a ILW for a Dman whom you believe can't beat out Rozy?

I will keep asking the question, why does everyone think the TVR is a shoe in to get picked up by Vegas next year if he can't even beat out Rozy or Kempny this year?

One side of the debate seems real odd to me
- vabeachbear

Because he's not too old, is a right shot, cheap, especially cuz he plays defense and has playoff experience.

Doesn't TVR have the lowest cap hit or any of the possible guys moved? Don't see how moving him helps the cap situation much.

If you're #5 or 6 Dman can be out on the ice for 15 mins a game, that a lot of mins kept off your #'s 1-4 during the season. As the hawks 1-4s age, this is a huge deal.

Just don't see the logic in moving TVR this year. If you could get a 1LW?, sure but again, who do you think is trading the Hawks a ILW for a Dman whom you believe can't beat out Rozy?
- vabeachbear

Outside of the core, a top prospect like Schmaltz or maybe Motte and the Hawks having perceived defensive depth TVR is probably their best trade chip.