That was funny sh!t Cpt
- nyisles7

You guys are shot

You guys are shot
- Cptmjl

In this day and age that could be perceived as a threat

In this day and age that could be perceived as a threat
- Upstate_isles

No I didn't write this but you guys should read it.

http://www.lighthousehock...new-york-islander-tribute

No I didn't write this but you guys should read it.

http://www.lighthousehock...new-york-islander-tribute
- nyisles7

Listen to their podcast at the very beginning the one guy is lost and aimless trying to find Frans in det lol

Listen to their podcast at the very beginning the one guy is lost and aimless trying to find Frans in det lol
- Upstate_isles

Didn't listen to the podcast upstate, I just thought I should post it before one of you Yahoo's posted it and said it must have been written by me. Even though I couldn't write that well, and would have asked Chief to help.

Captain, chiefs, smelly or RD??
- mdw7413

Definitely the earmarks of RD

That Oilers thread

Now Chiarelli never offered Hall for Hamonic and Larrson is a better defenseman than him

These guys are going to be sorely disappointed when they see him play. Steady defenseman but expectations are going to be unrealistically high.

No I didn't write this but you guys should read it.

http://www.lighthousehock...new-york-islander-tribute
- nyisles7

OK, I read it. I too have a preference for 2-way forwards, and it is true they tend to be underrated by many fans who just focus on goals, assists and points. A goal prevented is just as important as a goal scored.

It is unfortunate that Frans turned down the Isles' offer which was comparable (though not identical) to the Wings offer. Frans seems like a guy who needs to "feel the love" and just didn't get that from Snow. The Wings probably gave him a better sales pitch. I don't see Snow as a great salesman.

Now it's time to get over it and move on...

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OK, I read it. I too have a preference for 2-way forwards, and it is true they tend to be underrated by many fans who just focus on goals, assists and points. A goal prevented is just as important as a goal scored.

It is unfortunate that Frans turned down the Isles' offer which was comparable (though not identical) to the Wings offer. Frans seems like a guy who needs to "feel the love" and just didn't get that from Snow. The Wings probably gave him a better sales pitch. I don't see Snow as a great salesman.

Now it's time to get over it and move on...
- JohnScammo

I think Frans wanted to play for an NHL caliber coach.

I will miss him.

That Oilers thread

Now Chiarelli never offered Hall for Hamonic and Larrson is a better defenseman than him

These guys are going to be sorely disappointed when they see him play. Steady defenseman but expectations are going to be unrealistically high.
- Cptmjl

There is absolutely no unequivocal proof that hall was offered for hamonic. Deal with it.
There's talk that hamonic was the only defencemen the oilers would've wanted. Whic makes sense.
And there's talk that hall's the only player snow would've wanted. Which also makes sense.

But there's absolutely nothing more than guesswork and conjecture from any "insider" on what was actually offered and discussed . Even an offhand remark from snow or chiarelli that hall may have been offered doesn't exist.

You can assume what you like on the offer. that's totally fine.
The same as Ima assume that if hall was offered instead of nuge/ebs, the deal woulda been done long ago.
But again, neither of these is anywhere near fact .


As far as hamonic better than larsson TODAY, I'd assume most oiler fans wouldn't argue much with this.
There's unrealistic homerism in every corner. And neither all oiler fans nor all isles fans are exempt[url]

OK, I read it. I too have a preference for 2-way forwards, and it is true they tend to be underrated by many fans who just focus on goals, assists and points. A goal prevented is just as important as a goal scored.

It is unfortunate that Frans turned down the Isles' offer which was comparable (though not identical) to the Wings offer. Frans seems like a guy who needs to "feel the love" and just didn't get that from Snow. The Wings probably gave him a better sales pitch. I don't see Snow as a great salesman.

Now it's time to get over it and move on...
- JohnScammo

Do you think he's a great GM?

Once he replaces Frans or gets that top line winger for JT via the trade that's coming we will forget about him.

There is absolutely no unequivocal proof that hall was offered for hamonic. Deal with it.
There's talk that hamonic was the only defencemen the oilers would've wanted. Whic makes sense.
And there's talk that hall's the only player snow would've wanted. Which also makes sense.

But there's absolutely nothing more than guesswork and conjecture from any "insider" on what was actually offered and discussed . Even an offhand remark from snow or chiarelli that hall may have been offered doesn't exist.

You can assume what you like on the offer. that's totally fine.
The same as Ima assume that if hall was offered instead of nuge/ebs, the deal woulda been done long ago.
But again, neither of these is anywhere near fact .


As far as hamonic better than larsson TODAY, I'd assume most oiler fans wouldn't argue much with this.
There's unrealistic homerism in every corner. And neither all oiler fans nor all isles fans are exempt
- Ihateallofu[url]

It's easy, Chia offered Hall for Hamonic and Garf Bag, didn't have the balls and offered some combo of players, picks and or prospects that Chia felt wasn't addressing his need. That's when Shero swooped in and the Larsson Hall deal is done. Is the deal a win win win for NJ of course but Larsson fit a huge need in Edmonton.
Was Hall worth more tha Larsson straight up, you bet but The Oilers with drafting Puljujarvi 3rd over all and then knowing they were going to go after Lucic hard they felt that they were able to make the deal that addressed this huge hole they tried filling since the draft in 2015.
With the abundance of talented forwards The Oilers could afford to make this deal. Only time will tell if it's as one sided as everyone thinks or Larsson becomes an important piece towards the Oilers making the playoffs and taking the next step.

Lastly is Hammer better than Larsson, big yes, however Chia needed to do something about his blue line because GR wasn't proving to be developing into the player once thought by most, ( LMAO, sorry ) However Larsson I think will be a pleasant surprise
And a steady player for The Oilers.

It's easy, Chia offered Hall for Hamonic and Garf Bag, didn't have the balls and offered some combo of players, picks and or prospects that Chia felt wasn't addressing his need. That's when Shero swooped in and the Larsson Hall deal is done. Is the deal a win win win for NJ of course but Larsson fit a huge need in Edmonton.
Was Hall worth more tha Larsson straight up, you bet but The Oilers with drafting Puljujarvi 3rd over all and then knowing they were going to go after Lucic hard they felt that they were able to make the deal that addressed this huge hole they tried filling since the draft in 2015.
With the abundance of talented forwards The Oilers could afford to make this deal. Only time will tell if it's as one sided as everyone thinks or Larsson becomes an important piece towards the Oilers making the playoffs and taking the next step.

Lastly is Hammer better than Larsson, big yes, however Chia needed to do something about his blue line because GR wasn't proving to be developing into the player once thought by most, ( LMAO, sorry ) However Larsson I think will be a pleasant surprise
And a steady player for The Oilers.
- nyisles7

This is one possibility

Here's another ;

hamonic asks for a trade. Chiarelli realizing he needs defenders offers some combo of nuge or ebs +.
Garth counters with hall. Chiarelli refuses thinking hamonic is certainly s real good player that helps immediately, but doesn't have the ceiling to ever make the deal truly fair value

Chiarelli watching larsson trend up since last year enquires with shero last summer (corroborated by both gms)
Then around the draft after Larsson's continued development and still significantly higher potentual, the deal gets real around then and negotiations take place (corroborated by both gms)

All we know for sure is what pc and shero have stated about chiarellis interest in larsson

As far as who's better. I'd say th is undoubtedly today. But I also think larsson has the higher ceiling and is still ascending. Since both can help the oilers blueline short term, but are still gonna be a loss at face value, go with the guy with the higher ceiling that could potentially even make the trade a win long term.
And for that reason larsson more desirable in a deal for an elite hall than hamonic was

Do you think he's a great GM?

Once he replaces Frans or gets that top line winger for JT via the trade that's coming we will forget about him.
- nyisles7

Best in history....

This is one possibility

Here's another ;

hamonic asks for a trade. Chiarelli realizing he needs defenders offers some combo of nuge or ebs +.
Garth counters with hall. Chiarelli refuses thinking hamonic is certainly s real good player that helps immediately, but doesn't have the ceiling to ever make the deal truly fair value

Chiarelli watching larsson trend up since last year enquires with shero last summer (corroborated by both gms)
Then around the draft after Larsson's continued development and still significantly higher potentual, the deal gets real around then and negotiations take place (corroborated by both gms)

All we know for sure is what pc and shero have stated about chiarellis interest in larsson

As far as who's better. I'd say th is undoubtedly today. But I also think larsson has the higher ceiling and is still ascending. Since both can help the oilers blueline short term, but are still gonna be a loss at face value, go with the guy with the higher ceiling that could potentially even make the trade a win long term.
And for that reason larsson more desirable in a deal for an elite hall than hamonic was
- Ihateallofu

I think your theory is also possible however I think it's been reported by numerous people that Chia wanted Hamonic and offered Hall straight up and Garth , for what ever Phucking reason Doesn't pull the trigger. Larsson is the next target and he goes and gets him. Shero has Balls!
Also Hamonic is a proven top 2 defensemen where Larsson May develope into one. I think Chia wanted the proven player first.

Best in history....
- JohnScammo

I think your theory is also possible however I think it's been reported by numerous people that Chia wanted Hamonic and offered Hall straight up and Garth , for what ever Phucking reason Doesn't pull the trigger. Larsson is the next target and he goes and gets him.
- nyisles7

Not true

No oilers insider reported that

And staples is the only guy that even threw guesses at it. (I just read the article where he talks about it "the oilers wanted hamonic. Snow wouldn't consider anyone but hall etc . IM NOT SURE if that swap was discussed or offered etc etc"

And aside from the guesswork, this isn't even taking into account that it's their job to guess. If a gm wants something known. We all know it. We don't need insiders to tell us chiarelli is looking for a defencemen etc

End of the day, all I've ever said is that it is absolutely not fact hall was offered for Hamonic. As stated by another poster.
Nor is it anywhere near fact larsson was 'plan b'.
Chiarelli himself stated that outside of the larsson negotiations, there wasnt a ton of other positive talks that even took place


Certainly Possible though yeah

I think your theory is also possible however I think it's been reported by numerous people that Chia wanted Hamonic and offered Hall straight up and Garth , for what ever Phucking reason Doesn't pull the trigger. Larsson is the next target and he goes and gets him. Shero has Balls!
Also Hamonic is a proven top 2 defensemen where Larsson May develope into one. I think Chia wanted the proven player first.
- nyisles7

I've come to the conclusion that most Oilers fans are the most obtuse people on this site. Chia traded Hall for Larrson but there's no way he would have done hamonic for Hall. Well what you're saying is your GM is a (frank)ing idiot
.

Not true

No oilers insider reported that

And staples is the only guy that even threw guesses at it. (I just read the article where he talks about it "the oilers wanted hamonic. Snow wouldn't consider anyone but hall etc . IM NOT SURE if that swap was discussed or offered etc etc"

And aside from the guesswork, this isn't even taking into account that it's their job to guess. If a gm wants something known. We all know it. We don't need insiders to tell us chiarelli is looking for a defencemen etc

End of the day, all I've ever said is that it is absolutely not fact hall was offered for hamonic.
Possible though yeah
- Ihateallofu

Well we will agree to disagree because after every writer in the NHL writes that Chia was just robbed and they cant believe the trade. I don't thing Chia is gonna say anything other than defend the trade and praise the player who they received back for Hall. He would be an idiot not to IMHO.
I believe Dan Petriw also reported that Hall was offered for Hamonic straight up.

I've come to the conclusion that most Oilers fans are the most obtuse people on this site. Chia traded Hall for Larrson but there's no way he would have done hamonic for Hall. Well what you're saying is your GM is a (frank)ing idiot
.
- Cptmjl

So like, you wanna be the pot or the kettle ?

It's never been stated there is no way. Far from it. It's entirely possible, even if chiarelli kinda nixed it.

I realize you want to read it that way to debate your narrative . But again, it's just not fact

I've come to the conclusion that most Oilers fans are the most obtuse people on this site. Chia traded Hall for Larrson but there's no way he would have done hamonic for Hall. Well what you're saying is your GM is a (frank)ing idiot
.
- Cptmjl

Totally agree Cpt. See my response to him above

Chiarelli wanted our guy!!
He's the besteset ever!!

How dare you question that!?
How could you be so obtuse to use logic and dare question our guesswork that he may have not wanted our favourite guy more!!

You're so obtuse !!

And then call out the oilers fanbase





Dripping with irony

So like, you wanna be the pot or the kettle ?

It's never been stated there is no way. Far from it.

I realize you want to read it that way to debate your narrative . But again, it's just not fact
- Ihateallofu

Conversations on the Oiler thread must be very short and limited, if the only thing you guys talk about are based on "absolute fact." GMs typically don't reveal details of their negotiations, so all we have to go on is "anonymous sources" and various circumstantial evidence. After a while, you get to know who is a reliable source and who isn't. But absolute fact???? Good luck with that requirement...