Lou's gunna (frank) this up!
- .HOHO.

Meh. Lou's only doing this to (frank) around with the media. There's no rush whatsoever, to get this done. Lou's sitting back watching the media poop themselves. "Growing concerns"? By who?

I'm pretty sure their counter offer is going to be substantial, based on preliminary talks yesterday

So here's my situation:

New job is a 5k bump over my current salary, plus full health & dental coverage, disability and life insurance, and a 5% pension strategy that is matched by the company. Plus it is a bit closer to where I live, so less commute. The trade off is less remote work (ie. from home)

The offer my current company may be making is potentially 20k more than my current salary, but is just a flat paycheck. No bells and whistles whatsoever.

Now, $$ isn't everything but I can't help but do a double take at that if its put on the table.

What sucks is the optics. It completely looks like I'm trying to use my manager's passing as a way to gouge the company, meanwhile the new offer was there before it even happened.
- WingmanWillie

People today have absolutely no idea how valuable a good pension plan is.

It's worth a helluva lot more than a little bit more on your paycheque.

Is it defined benefit or defined contribution?

At the risk of being called a cold-hearted bastard, have they thought about who is going to get the manager's position?

Could that be you?
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm wondering if that might be why they needed the 48 hours to consider a counter offer.

I'd be lying if I said it hadn't once crossed my mind

Leafs have about 5 active forwards, 3 defensemen, and a bunch of "Depth".
- DamnBrasKiss

#expansiondraft

People today have absolutely no idea how valuable a good pension plan is.

It's worth a helluva lot more than a little bit more on your paycheque.

Is it defined benefit or defined contribution?
- Atomic Wedgie

Not sure the difference.

5% of my salary goes into a pension fund, which is then matched by the company

Meh. Lou's only doing this to (frank) around with the media. There's no rush whatsoever, to get this done. Lou's sitting back watching the media poop themselves. "Growing concerns"? By who?
- walshyleafsfan

Standard contract.

anyone see/post the comments from Shanny on Polak?

Said he was a 5/6 and is now a depth guy
- senstroll

Pricey depth guy, no?

I'm wondering if that might be why they needed the 48 hours to consider a counter offer.

I'd be lying if I said it hadn't once crossed my mind
- WingmanWillie

Something tells me the dead guy won't mind if you throw your hat in the ring for his job!

Take the new job.
For various reasons.
Companies that can only offer you an important increase when you tell them you're going to leave them are not worth working for.
Unless they agree to pay you the difference over last 3 years (60k bonus payment) which you could consider taking and then leave in 6-12 months to a new position from now when the company has reorganised and is more better able to compensate for loss of 2 employees in a month.
staying at you current company would still mean you'll be there for max 2 years.

You can use the counter-offer in discussions with your new company though.
At least let them know (even if you're going to accept their offer) that your current company offered you the 20k increase. Maybe you can use in future negotiations (brining it in right now) or increase the current offer.
- MaximusAurelius

I have definitely considered keeping this in my back pocket

Pricey depth guy, no?
- Fakepartofme

It's like you're in my head

Kristen Shilton ‏@kristen_shilton now3 seconds ago View translation
Team White forwards: Bracco, Timashov, Dzierkals, Matthews, Vesey, Korostelev, Witala, Walker, Baylis, Moore, Felhaber, Lyszczarczyk


This (frank)er's name must be worth at least a hundred in Scrabble....

Kristen Shilton ‏@kristen_shilton now3 seconds ago View translation
Team White forwards: Bracco, Timashov, Dzierkals, Matthews, Vesey, Korostelev, Witala, Walker, Baylis, Moore, Felhaber, Lyszczarczyk


This (frank)er's name must be worth at least a hundred in Scrabble....
- lumlums

Obviously they are doing a Marner vs Matthews scrimmage

It's what we all want to see!

Yeah, it was music to my ears

2.75k is a lot for a depth guy though, no?
- WingmanWillie

think its 2.25 ..but yes seems like a lot

Leafs are putting a lot of value on some players who can set a good example I guess.. Polak, Clune with the Marlies. Polak for 1 year doesnt bother me if he main mandate is to just get the young players to be professionals, focus on poop that matters

Standard contract.
- poohcrumbs

Yes. But i think Lou loves reeling the media in.

Remember last year when people were pissed that Dermott got his ELC a week before Marner?. As if it was an insult to Mitch.

If I was Lou, I'd (frank)ing you lot around along with the media every chance i get. Then sit back and watch the level of spazz

Take the new job.
For various reasons.
Companies that can only offer you an important increase when you tell them you're going to leave them are not worth working for.
Unless they agree to pay you the difference over last 3 years (60k bonus payment) which you could consider taking and then leave in 6-12 months to a new position from now when the company has reorganised and is more better able to compensate for loss of 2 employees in a month.
staying at you current company would still mean you'll be there for max 2 years.

You can use the counter-offer in discussions with your new company though.
At least let them know (even if you're going to accept their offer) that your current company offered you the 20k increase. Maybe you can use in future negotiations (brining it in right now) or increase the current offer.
- MaximusAurelius

I used to think this. It was the way I was raised: just work hard and people will notice and reward you.

Turns out that's crap. You need to drive your career. You need to decide what you want and go after it.

Kristen Shilton ‏@kristen_shilton now3 seconds ago View translation
Team White forwards: Bracco, Timashov, Dzierkals, Matthews, Vesey, Korostelev, Witala, Walker, Baylis, Moore, Felhaber, Lyszczarczyk


This (frank)er's name must be worth at least a hundred in Scrabble....
- lumlums

Its impossible.. there isnt that many "Z" in scabble.

think its 2.25 ..but yes seems like a lot

Leafs are putting a lot of value on some players who can set a good example I guess.. Polak, Clune with the Marlies. Polak for 1 year doesnt bother me if he main mandate is to just get the young players to be professionals, focus on poop that matters
- senstroll

I hardly doubt Marner and Nylander look to Polak as a guy who sets examples..

He might teach them how to hits guys from behind or something

Its impossible.. there isnt that many "Z" in scabble.
- Tanooki

I used to think this. It was the way I was raised: just work hard and people will notice and reward you.

Turns out that's crap. You need to drive your career. You need to decide what you want and go after it.
- Atomic Wedgie

I am assuming here that Willie has always indicated he was looking for a nice increase in salary at current company. (and never an option until right now)

Meh. Lou's only doing this to (frank) around with the media. There's no rush whatsoever, to get this done. Lou's sitting back watching the media poop themselves. "Growing concerns"? By who?
- walshyleafsfan

Matthews has to sign by the World Cup or can't play for the young guns.

Not sure the difference.

5% of my salary goes into a pension fund, which is then matched by the company
- WingmanWillie

Really big difference. Worth your while to find out.

Defined benefit is the better one. It basically means that you contribute X amount every pay cheque, and upon your retirement, you are guaranteed Y amount every month.

Once upon a time, most pensions were like this. But it's harder to administer, and the company can end up with huge pension obligations if the returns on investments aren't what the actuaries hoped for/projected.

So companies started converting pensions to defined contributions. Simplest way to think of these is like a big RRSP. You contribute X amount every pay cheque, and your money is returned to you upon retirement based upon how well the investments did.

In theory, your returns on a defined contribution pension could be greater than under a defined benefits plan, but in theory I could have ridden a unicorn to work.

Take a look at your offer. Don't get me wrong, a defined contribution plan is waaaaaaaay better than no pension at all. But a defined benefit plan is even betterer.

Yeah, I just said betterer.

flip at TDL. Its Winnik all over again
- poohcrumbs

Not a bad way to handle and manage your assets.

Matthews has to sign by the World Cup or can't play for the young guns.
- Leafsandbolts

So thats the leaverage Lou is using.

I kinda hope Matthews stands his ground.

Not sure the difference.

5% of my salary goes into a pension fund, which is then matched by the company
- WingmanWillie

Sounds like defined contribution ie the 5%s from you and the company vs. a pension that agrees pay you a set defined amount when you retire.

Pension plan and other benefits are important as you and your family progress.

First thoughts: this is being carried out by forces more organized than some crazy lone wolf black folks. IF it's indeed a few angry black people, they are 100% suicidal and ready to die as American villains (as the media would surely make them out to be). However, I doubt any black folks would be bold enough to try and take out 11 cops in a downtown metro area after several innocent black men were killed by cops. This stinks of Cointelpro-style FBI involvement.

The "sniper" was an amazing shot, somehow only picking off cops out of the large crowd.

The "sniper" had intimate knowledge of building and street layouts to be able to navigate, hide, shoot and escape before being seen.

The "sniper" was able to escape detection by all the video cameras in downtown Dallas.

Something tells me it's not a few lone wolf black folks. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. But this just feels a little too convenient.
- domi_legend