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FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 8:44 PM ET
I think James Tanner is awesome. He is not afraid to go against the grain and stand up for his opinions. I always enjoy reading his analysis.

James keep up the great work

- TheUltimateJet

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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 8:46 PM ET
I think James Tanner is awesome. He is not afraid to go against the grain and stand up for his opinions. I always enjoy reading his analysis.

James keep up the great work

- TheUltimateJet

Even if they're completely wrong
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:19 PM ET
I think James Tanner is awesome. He is not afraid to go against the grain and stand up for his opinions. I always enjoy reading his analysis.

James keep up the great work

- TheUltimateJet



I agree except they're not his opinions, it's just stuff to get us all fired up...because the next blog or even later in the comments he states the exact opposite.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 3 @ 9:56 PM ET
I am not nearly as amazed at the Hall trade as many.
Did NJ win this trade as of today, no question.

But Larsson is a perfect add for Edmonton. Overpaid for him, it seems. But 4yrs down the road, Oiler fans might be thanking their lucky stars for this trade.

I think Larsson is going to be awesome...

I was hoping the Leafs could get Larsson for JVR + (obviously not enough).

- Cooshie




I agree. He's perfect for the Oilers now and long term.


Having Lucic replace Hall now and the team is clearly better and more balanced.


Drij
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 06.24.2007

Jul 3 @ 10:10 PM ET
Duchene is one of the NHL's most one-dimensional overrated players. Landeskog is an animal.
- James_Tanner


Landeskog sucks lol
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jul 3 @ 10:22 PM ET
I think James Tanner is awesome. He is not afraid to go against the grain and stand up for his opinions. I always enjoy reading his analysis.

James keep up the great work

- TheUltimateJet


You mean he's not afraid to put on an act?

Nobody(that's actually watched him play) can possibly be stupid enough to truthfully believe David Rundblad is underrated. Its IMPOSSIBLE. He's acting/lying/trying to cause a poop storm. Its all for show. Either that or he's literally never watched Rundblad play. One or the other.
Tanuki
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.27.2010

Jul 4 @ 12:05 AM ET
You mean he's not afraid to put on an act?

Nobody(that's actually watched him play) can possibly be stupid enough to truthfully believe David Rundblad is underrated. Its IMPOSSIBLE. He's acting/lying/trying to cause a poop storm. Its all for show. Either that or he's literally never watched Rundblad play. One or the other.

- SimpleJack


It's because Tanner bases all his decisions on HERO charts. The same charts that show Rundblad as a top 2 defenseman. LOL
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 4 @ 2:10 AM ET
And it seems he still can be traded, which would not have been the case for PK if he would've stayed in Montreal (now both of them can be traded).
- doum79


PK did not waive his NMC/NTC. It kicked in July 1st. There should be no reason his clause is no longer valid.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 4 @ 2:16 AM ET
Rundblad is underrated.... This is simply amazing.... dude, really?! He is a turnover machine. And by that I am not talking about apple or cherry. He is so scared of contact, he will cough up the biscuit even before he hears the blades of the opponent. He can't even position himself to guard against a potential forecheck for fear of getting hit.

He can shoot. I will say that. So can I if I had it on a T and time for a coffee & Danish.

Some will point to his +-. THAT was playing with Keith. Yes, that Keith; Duncan Keith. He of the three Stanley Cup titles.... two Norris Trophys.... and a Conn. Smythe. Trophy. For. The. '15 champs. (my feeble attempt at the first three of 12 days of Christmas) Oh, wait. You hate Keith. Never mind.

So keep believing. Pray the 'yotes sign him. It won't matter since the 'yotes are as close to a Stanley cup as an AHL team. On a perennial contender like the 'Hawks, he flat out sucks. On the 'yotes, who knows, maybe a #3 or #4. Enjoy.

- blackhawk24


Apparently the first 3 year experiment with Runblad in PHO wasn't enough to teach him how bad Runblad actually was.
JETSWIN
Location: Winnipeg
Joined: 05.25.2012

Jul 4 @ 7:27 AM ET
PK did not waive his NMC/NTC. It kicked in July 1st. There should be no reason his clause is no longer valid.
- wreckage


If you're traded before the nmc/ntc kicks in, it's the team who traded for you option if they'll honor that clause. In this case, Nashville has said they will not honor the nmc clause.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 8:27 AM ET
You mean he's not afraid to put on an act?

Nobody(that's actually watched him play) can possibly be stupid enough to truthfully believe David Rundblad is underrated. Its IMPOSSIBLE. He's acting/lying/trying to cause a poop storm. Its all for show. Either that or he's literally never watched Rundblad play. One or the other.

- SimpleJack


I think what's even stupider is the idea that I would think mentioning David Rundblad would be at all controversial. Like, how would I even begin to possibly think anyone would care?

The fact is, I do a lot of my writing based on, looking into and talking about stats. David Rundblad happens to have either be a) that one player where the stats are crazy wrong, or b) massively underappreciated.

Either way, that is interesting to me. But to think I would intentionally try to start a "David Rundblad Controversy" is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
Snots33_77
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 4 @ 10:06 AM ET
It's funny how everyone likes PK now and thinks he's an amazing Dman now that he's been traded away from the Habs?? He's always been amazing!

Nice Monday morning quarterback job!!!
The Rocket
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 10.06.2006

Jul 4 @ 10:25 AM ET
I don't agree with your remarks regarding the Subban/Weber trade. It is an incredibly good trade for both teams and for both players. Living in the heart of the Montreal market, PK has done some incredible things for the city, for the fans and for the organization. But you have to understand that The Habs have always been and will continue to be an organization for the humble and talented, an organization that puts the team ahead of the individual, an organization of great leaders such as Robinson, Savard, and Beliveau who played hard on the ice, won Stanley Cups and yet were humble and quiet off the ice. PK was becoming very focused on his brand, on his philanthropy, his business and to the eyes of management, this was becoming larger than the organization. I have met PK on a couple of occasions and he is THE nicest guy out there. Generous, kind, uber smart, outspoken and an absolute work horse on the ice...but, not made for Montreal. He WILL thrive in Nashville, he will be allowed to be himself both on and off the ice. Now, please, Weber is an outstanding hockey player, with a league leading slap shot, an attitude that fits with the traditional Bleu Blanc Rouge, olympic gold medals, great leadership qualities, grit and size that will protect Carey Price on the ice and help budding defence men be better. I love this trade, I think its a real WIN WIN for both organizations and for both players.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 10:37 AM ET
I don't agree with your remarks regarding the Subban/Weber trade. It is an incredibly good trade for both teams and for both players. Living in the heart of the Montreal market, PK has done some incredible things for the city, for the fans and for the organization. But you have to understand that The Habs have always been and will continue to be an organization for the humble and talented, an organization that puts the team ahead of the individual, an organization of great leaders such as Robinson, Savard, and Beliveau who played hard on the ice, won Stanley Cups and yet were humble and quiet off the ice. PK was becoming very focused on his brand, on his philanthropy, his business and to the eyes of management, this was becoming larger than the organization. I have met PK on a couple of occasions and he is THE nicest guy out there. Generous, kind, uber smart, outspoken and an absolute work horse on the ice...but, not made for Montreal. He WILL thrive in Nashville, he will be allowed to be himself both on and off the ice. Now, please, Weber is an outstanding hockey player, with a league leading slap shot, an attitude that fits with the traditional Bleu Blanc Rouge, olympic gold medals, great leadership qualities, grit and size that will protect Carey Price on the ice and help budding defence men be better. I love this trade, I think its a real WIN WIN for both organizations and for both players.
- The Rocket



SO what you're saying is that Montreal is too old and conservative for a guy like P.K? What a load of crap. (By which I mean, that that is ridiculous, not that you're wrong).

This remains one of the worst 1 for 1 trades of all time and justifying it by insulting a guy's personality is the absolute worst.

Montreal traded a great player for a good player and their team is objectively worse because of it. If people have a problem with P.K's attitude (he's too nice? donates too much of his money? Wants to win too badly?) the problem is with them. Not P.K

What an embarrassment for the city of Montreal to be too "conservative" for P.K's personality. If I had to guess, I would say anyone under 40 is probably pretty mad right now.
poohcrumbs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I think Loov is going to become another Lidstrom- matt1337
Joined: 09.12.2009

Jul 4 @ 10:46 AM ET


PLUS: You can't make this stuff up:

Adding P.K to a team that includes Elias, Ekholm, Subban and Josi is the best in the league and it isn't even debatable. Get yourself a goalie fine sirs and I'll call you the Cup Favorite entering next year.




I cant even

James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 10:52 AM ET


PLUS: You can't make this stuff up:

Adding P.K to a team that includes Elias, Ekholm, Subban and Josi is the best in the league and it isn't even debatable. Get yourself a goalie fine sirs and I'll call you the Cup Favorite entering next year.




I cant even


- poohcrumbs


First of all, I wish people would have more dignity than to use cliches and catch phrases. "I can't even" is literally the worst. It's worse than "Just stop," "delete your account," or "That awkward moment when..." etc.

And a picture of a dumpster on fire? NO YOU DID_NT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyways, I kid. It's not even clear what you mean: like, are you mad that I wrote Subban twice and committed the grievous sin of typo? Or do you not think the Preds have the best D in town and are a huge Cup favorite after making this delicious trade?
Ovation
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 10.27.2006

Jul 4 @ 11:09 AM ET
SO what you're saying is that Montreal is too old and conservative for a guy like P.K? What a load of crap. (By which I mean, that that is ridiculous, not that you're wrong).

This remains one of the worst 1 for 1 trades of all time and justifying it by insulting a guy's personality is the absolute worst.

Montreal traded a great player for a good player and their team is objectively worse because of it. If people have a problem with P.K's attitude (he's too nice? donates too much of his money? Wants to win too badly?) the problem is with them. Not P.K

What an embarrassment for the city of Montreal to be too "conservative" for P.K's personality. If I had to guess, I would say anyone under 40 is probably pretty mad right now.

- James_Tanner


I'm nearly 50 and I'm royally pissed off. The Canadiens are most certainly "too conservative" for Subban. So is hockey in general. This trade is as bad as the Chelios for Savard trade (and there were similar "too conservative" things about that one too, as there were when Carbonneau was traded to St. Louis--though Subban's "transgressions" are not objectively negative). I'm with David Poile--hockey should be exciting and entertaining, not dulled down by "systems" that stifle creativity. The Habs have suffered the Lemaire curse for 30 years. And any management team that keeps Therrien and loses Subban is idiotic.

In any case, while the city isn't too conservative for Subban, the team certainly is.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Jul 4 @ 11:13 AM ET
I think what's even stupider is the idea that I would think mentioning David Rundblad would be at all controversial. Like, how would I even begin to possibly think anyone would care?

The fact is, I do a lot of my writing based on, looking into and talking about stats. David Rundblad happens to have either be a) that one player where the stats are crazy wrong, or b) massively underappreciated.

Either way, that is interesting to me. But to think I would intentionally try to start a "David Rundblad Controversy" is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.

- James_Tanner


Why don't you try to watch some actual games before you spew nonsense? Find some Blackhawk games from the last two seasons in which Rundblad played and observe how bad he was, even with his limited, sheltered minutes, usually protected by one of your favorite whipping boys, Duncan Keith.
The Rocket
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 10.06.2006

Jul 4 @ 11:43 AM ET
SO what you're saying is that Montreal is too old and conservative for a guy like P.K? What a load of crap. (By which I mean, that that is ridiculous, not that you're wrong).

This remains one of the worst 1 for 1 trades of all time and justifying it by insulting a guy's personality is the absolute worst.

Montreal traded a great player for a good player and their team is objectively worse because of it. If people have a problem with P.K's attitude (he's too nice? donates too much of his money? Wants to win too badly?) the problem is with them. Not P.K

What an embarrassment for the city of Montreal to be too "conservative" for P.K's personality. If I had to guess, I would say anyone under 40 is probably pretty mad right now.

- James_Tanner


Please don't refer to my comments as a load of crap. I have the right to my opinion even if they are not in line with yours. Lets keep the city of Montreal and the fan base here away from this discussion for a second. I stated the deal is a win win for the organizations and the players. PK will reach heights in Nashville that he could not reach here under the current regime. Weber will bring more stability and leadership to Montreal and the young core, which was badly needed. Carey Price needs protection. Weber will provide this. The blue line needed a calm, authoritative figure, Weber brings this. The Power Play needs improvement, Weber will address a part of this. Subban will bring energy, speed and will be allowed to deploy the full array of his talent under the guidance of Poise. So, from an organizational and player standpoint, the trade is a win win. Is Montreal as a city pleased with this trade? Absolutely not, I was shocked and angry. PK's photo's still hangs on the side of the Children's Hospital, which I drive by and see everyday. But I am looking at this trade from an organizational and player perspective only and given the conservative nature of the Montreal Canadiens, this deal makes sense. Is this the worst trade in the history of the Canadiens? Let's give Weber a chance here and make that judgement call next year.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 4 @ 12:44 PM ET
SO what you're saying is that Montreal is too old and conservative for a guy like P.K? What a load of crap. (By which I mean, that that is ridiculous, not that you're wrong).

This remains one of the worst 1 for 1 trades of all time and justifying it by insulting a guy's personality is the absolute worst.

Montreal traded a great player for a good player and their team is objectively worse because of it. If people have a problem with P.K's attitude (he's too nice? donates too much of his money? Wants to win too badly?) the problem is with them. Not P.K

What an embarrassment for the city of Montreal to be too "conservative" for P.K's personality. If I had to guess, I would say anyone under 40 is probably pretty mad right now.

- James_Tanner


1) he never said the city was too conservative. the organization is too conservative. (the city is one of the least conservative place in North America, and consensus across all demographics on the trade is disappointment.

2) not sure how you can say they are objectively worse without having played a game.

3) pardon me, but what in good (frank) do you know about PK's attitude/personality/influence within the organization? i'm going to go out on a major limb here and assume you know sweet (frank) all, like everyone else who is pretending to know something. it's been reported that his teammates, specifically the veterans, had major problems with Subban. if that's the case, was trading him necessary? not for me to say. but for you to sit there and pretend that there wasn't more to this deal than what we see on the surface plays right into the narrative that you do have an overly simplistic view of NHL hockey.

i dislike this trade and think that Subban is a better player than Weber. but the general analysis of this trade has been so superficial and hysterical. absolutely no one has made any type of critical analysis. all we get are (frank)ing spreadsheets and pie charts.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 12:50 PM ET
Please don't refer to my comments as a load of crap. I have the right to my opinion even if they are not in line with yours. Lets keep the city of Montreal and the fan base here away from this discussion for a second. I stated the deal is a win win for the organizations and the players. PK will reach heights in Nashville that he could not reach here under the current regime. Weber will bring more stability and leadership to Montreal and the young core, which was badly needed. Carey Price needs protection. Weber will provide this. The blue line needed a calm, authoritative figure, Weber brings this. The Power Play needs improvement, Weber will address a part of this. Subban will bring energy, speed and will be allowed to deploy the full array of his talent under the guidance of Poise. So, from an organizational and player standpoint, the trade is a win win. Is Montreal as a city pleased with this trade? Absolutely not, I was shocked and angry. PK's photo's still hangs on the side of the Children's Hospital, which I drive by and see everyday. But I am looking at this trade from an organizational and player perspective only and given the conservative nature of the Montreal Canadiens, this deal makes sense. Is this the worst trade in the history of the Canadiens? Let's give Weber a chance here and make that judgement call next year.
- The Rocket



I don't think you understood what I wrote. Re-read it again and you will see that I didn't say anything insulting to or about you.
Snots33_77
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 4 @ 12:50 PM ET
I just read through the entire comment section here and I have to applaud your levels of hypocrisy Tanner. Flip flopping your answers to facilitate your ever-changing narrative, backing stats (and only stats) and calling peoples opinions "crap" while you persecute others for doing the same to you. You should actually look up from your Excel spreadsheet on your computer and watch the TV screen (if you're not too busy staring at your OEL poster juggling yourself)....there's some pretty good hockey on that screen most of the time.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 12:52 PM ET
I just read through the entire comment section here and I have to applaud your levels of hypocrisy Tanner. Flip flopping your answers to facilitate your ever-changing narrative, backing stats (and only stats) and calling peoples opinions "crap" while you persecute others for doing the same to you. You should actually look up from your Excel spreadsheet on your computer and watch the TV screen (if you're not too busy staring at your OEL poster juggling yourself)....there's some pretty good hockey on that screen most of the time.
- Snots33_77


What are you even talking about? Pretty sure your dad would be mad if he knew you were online without his permission.
claude1971
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 08.05.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:43 PM ET
Other than your defense of Steve Simmons "shudders" an absolute spot on blog!
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 4 @ 1:59 PM ET
Other than your defense of Steve Simmons "shudders" an absolute spot on blog!
- claude1971



Hey thanks. I don't defend what he says, just his right to say it.
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