Still waiting on your alternative solution.
- MaximumBone

Because it would be hypothetical so it's a useless process. He has wasted assets. Lost trade after trade and made us bigger, slower, less skilled. I preferred building in the "Chicago" style of speed and skill over the mess he is making. If Hall was made available to more teams we could have gotten better.

Because it would be hypothetical so it's a useless process. He has wasted assets. Lost trade after trade and made us bigger, slower, less skilled. I preferred building in the "Chicago" style of speed and skill over the mess he is making. If Hall was made available to more teams we could have gotten better.
- Iggysbff

How do you know that teams didn't know about hall? That's just pure speculation.

All Gryba brings better than Fayne was physicality. For all of Fayne's faults in the other areas he is a better player.

Petry over his career nets 1 more point per 10 games. Not game breaking in the slightest. So his offensive ability is minimally better. He was not obviously more physical and his defensive lapses while as an Oiler were often criticized.

Both are solid complimentary partners on a pairing and neither are 1st pair material. Fayne doesn't have to have Sekera, but he does work best with a partner that he will defer to to make the offensive contribution. I hope that Davidson and Nurse make enough strides this year that Fayne can pair down to the 3rd and help compliment them.
- McSavioursPupil

You brought those guys up; I merely mentioned that they bring other facets to their game that Fayne doesn't while being comparable as far as box protection.

Agreed on that last point.

So the korpikoski buyout means that we have a cap hit of
2016-2017 500K
2017-2018 1MM

He only had one more year on the deal and if we just buried him in the AHL his cap hit would've been
2016-2017 1.5MM

Does chia have some moves in mind that will make us a cap team this year where we will need that 1MM of cap space this year or do you guys think chia overlooked this?
- kessellover69

LW: Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendi
RW: Ebs, Pulju, Yak, Kassian
C: McD, Drai, Nuge, Letestu

Dumping Korpi, who for all intents and purposes was a terrible, terrible player, leaves more ability for guys to come in and fight for jobs while leaving the option to having 4 lines already in place.

The dead space in bother years is not much to be concerned about.

How do you know that teams didn't know about hall? That's just pure speculation.
- kessellover69

No apparently guys who get dissed as not having a (frank)ing clue about the Oilers, and regularly supposed to be making poop up about the team, are now true insiders. Catch up.

How do you know that teams didn't know about hall? That's just pure speculation.
- kessellover69

Rishaug and others said some gms didn't know. Also said timing was part of the reason for low return.

You brought those guys up; I merely mentioned that they bring other facets to their game that Fayne doesn't while being comparable as far as box protection.

Agreed on that last point.
- MaximumBone

They were brought up because they are actually good comparisons. Fayne did one thing worse but many things better than Gryba, but Gryba is desired.

Petry and Fayne are almost twins of each other. The things JP does better are minimal at best, yet people pine over him.

Rishaug and others said some gms didn't know. Also said timing was part of the reason for low return.
- Iggysbff

I take all of that with a bucket of salt.

I take all of that with a bucket of salt.
- McSavioursPupil

We are still hearing there is lots of discussion of Trouba for Landeskog

Do you think Hall for Trouba would have been better?

Because it would be hypothetical so it's a useless process. He has wasted assets. Lost trade after trade and made us bigger, slower, less skilled. I preferred building in the "Chicago" style of speed and skill over the mess he is making. If Hall was made available to more teams we could have gotten better.
- Iggysbff

I'll tackle the non-hypothetical there.

The Chicago-style rebuild was well out of reach when we started our rebuild without two or three high quality D prospects (Seabrook, Keith, and Barker). Chicago is where they are because of their elite D corps as much as (or more than) their admittedly great forwards.

They also featured more players of size than we really had. Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Saad, Stalberg, Byfuglien, Ladd, Brouwer, Handzus, Kopecky and even Bickell are all larger and heavier players who played substantial roles in the top-9 of their Cup winning teams. Kane and Versteeg are about the only small and skilled (6' and below 200lbs) guys they employed on their rosters top-9. EDIT: Forgot to include Frolik (6'1 195lbs) so he's right in between.

As far as speed goes, we have McDavid, Nuge, Eberle, Yak, and Puljujarvi. That's at least comparable amounts of speed to what they had. What has been and still is lacking is the D corps. It's fine if you don't like the trade, but this is a step towards rectifying a fundamental misunderstanding of team-building the prior regimes either didn't recognize, chose to ignore, or were incompetent enough to completely fail at.

They were brought up because they are actually good comparisons. Fayne did one thing worse but many things better than Gryba, but Gryba is desired.

Petry and Fayne are almost twins of each other. The things JP does better are minimal at best, yet people pine over him.
- McSavioursPupil

He moves the puck better and carries his lines possession success (ala Sekera). His cost is too high for my tastes but he's certainly a superior player to Fayne. Agreed on Gryba.

We are still hearing there is lots of discussion of Trouba for Landeskog

Do you think Hall for Trouba would have been better?
- Iggysbff

Dear god no

We are still hearing there is lots of discussion of Trouba for Landeskog

Do you think Hall for Trouba would have been better?
- Iggysbff

I think trouba is even less proven than larsson. And it sounds like his contract ask might be some where over 6. So I'd take larsson at 4.1 over trouba at even 5.5

We are still hearing there is lots of discussion of Trouba for Landeskog

Do you think Hall for Trouba would have been better?
- Iggysbff

Ok. There was lots of discussion of Ebs <-> Hamonic. Look where that went.

I think trouba is even less proven than larsson. And it sounds like his contract ask might be some where over 6. So I'd take larsson at 4.1 over trouba at even 5.5
- kessellover69

And Hall is better than Landeskog. Point is there are many options out there that Chia didn't dig into. He got bent over.

He moves the puck better and carries his lines possession success (ala Sekera). His cost is too high for my tastes but he's certainly a superior player to Fayne. Agreed on Gryba.
- MaximumBone

He makes many more high risk passes that end up going the wrong way. His defensive ability is rife with many poor reads and coverages. His line possession numbers are comparable to Fayne and Sek.

And Hall is better than Landeskog. Point is there are many options out there that Chia didn't dig into. He got bent over.
- Iggysbff

Apparently? I'm sure there's also countless he did dig into. He's been shopping for D for at least 8 months now, if not more.

And Hall is better than Landeskog. Point is there are many options out there that Chia didn't dig into. He got bent over.
- Iggysbff

Well it is just a rumour. Hard to really speculate unless that deal does go down.

Edit: no question we lost the trad best I think we're a better team than we were a month ago

And Hall is better than Landeskog. Point is there are many options out there that Chia didn't dig into. He got bent over.
- Iggysbff

When Landi for Trouba happens we can talk about it...

This is similar to Hall and Hamonic talk. Hamonic and his contract were points in NYI favour.

Trouba's apparent contract demands are not a positive factor in paying a high price to get him.

whats up dinks

So the korpikoski buyout means that we have a cap hit of
2016-2017 500K
2017-2018 1MM

He only had one more year on the deal and if we just buried him in the AHL his cap hit would've been
2016-2017 1.5MM

Does chia have some moves in mind that will make us a cap team this year where we will need that 1MM of cap space this year or do you guys think chia overlooked this?
- kessellover69

He had a 3m Salary NHL or AHL. in the buyout he is getting 2m over 2 years of salary, they save actual money in 1m in real money. Probably why they end up doing it, absorb a little cap hit just to save actual cash later

He had a 3m Salary NHL or AHL. in the buyout he is getting 2m over 2 years of salary, they save actual money in 1m in real money. Probably why they end up doing it, absorb a little cap hit just to save actual cash later
- DDM-Coga

Katz is bankrupt guy!!!

whats up dinks
- DDM-Coga

How's it hanging Mr. Marsh?

whats up dinks
- DDM-Coga

The usual.


Trade Landy yet?

Chia is a moron. Nuff said.
- Iggysbff

agreed